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So I recognized them right away
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ha! the heritage photo look better!
Business as usual for a consistently deceitful eBay seller.
chopmarkedtradedollars.com
That eBay seller is notorious for cracking problem coins and juicing the images, no different in this case. Shame about the areas of rough surfaces on the 73-S, that's an underrated scarce date.
Bookmarked for viewing at the house. My work internet frowns on the links in the OP.
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People still aren't removing the garbage at the end of the link.
You can just type in everything up to the 1st question mark, not including the question mark, and it should work.
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This dude's got quite the interesting business model. Buy, crack, misrepresent, sell, repeat ad infinitum.
So Denver coin did not actually auction this off on EBay, they dipped, submitted, and then sold through HA?
No, they bought from HA, cracked, and then used juiced photos to misrepresent the coin to sell on eBay.
They do this constantly with problem coins sourced from all of the big auction houses (and other places as well I'm assuming).
chopmarkedtradedollars.com
This is exactly what I was referring to on the "AT" thread. At least one person suggested that they should be cracked out and sold raw on eBay. This is exactly what happened here.
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Yes, and you are right.
But that poster's well documented lack of reading comprehension skill and his acknowledgment that he doesn't "know how ethical people will feel about doing that" would lead me to posting insulting (but accurate) content and I don't feel like being banned. Maybe others felt similarly other than @MFeld who is able to post with a restraint that I don't possess.
Either way, I agree he got off light.
chopmarkedtradedollars.com
Should HA stop selling to Denver Coins due to this activity?
Ebay should ban Denver coins.
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I agree with you. I think I was approaching the situation with an assumption that eBay would never do that. It still wouldn’t hurt if the unethical seller had one less source to procure from.
That's a really poor idea. I'm certain consignors to HA would just love to find out that their sales prices are potentially surpassed because HA is acting as the ethics police for numismatics and whomever owns HA certainly does not want to give up market share of profit just to make it harder for those who would deceive to remain in business. I have not opened the links but it appears what they are doing is not illegal, but certainly is not transparent and honest.
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Ethics aside, clever business model.
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P. T. Barnum wasn't put on a coin for nothing.
No man ever went broke overestimating the ignorance of the American public.
- - P. T. Barnum
The common man, no matter how sharp and tough, actually enjoys having the wool pulled over his eyes, and makes it easier for the puller.
- - P. T. Barnum
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Among others. https://azquotes.com/author/951-P_T_Barnum
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"This listing uses representative photos for a multi-quantity listing. Coins are comparable in quality/characteristics and will match the quality range provided in the title."
Hard pass.
If a picture wasn't going very well I'd put a puppy dog in it, always a mongrel, you know, never one of the full bred puppies. And then I'd put a bandage on its foot... I liked it when I did it, but now I'm sick of it.
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DIsgraceful. Should be banned from eBay.
Seller currently has 97 raw listings. All described as "GEM BU" (x two Proofs) with some added bloviating.
That first quote is usually ascribed to H.L. Mencken. Contrary to modern urban legends, Barnum knew better than to insult his audience.
He also never said that there is "a sucker born every minute."
That website needs a good proof reading.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nobody_ever_went_broke_underestimating_the_intelligence_of_the_American_people
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2020/03/01/underestimate/
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Said another way: They shouldn’t do anything because it will negatively impact their finances.
It’s too bad there isn’t a natural incentive for them to take action against this type of thing.
That’s crazy! Hope some action is taken..
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- Someone, probably
~~~~ you forgot shill or have friend bid to profit level
GSC has been doing this far longer than Denver Coins but the key to the model is a strong return policy. Which powers their high feedback ratings despite the juiced photos and aspirational descriptions.
I also think if these dealers disappeared, the market for problem coins in details holders would drop like a rock. I have collected for over 20 years and don't believe I have ever bought a coin in a details holder (although early on I bought some in holders that should have been detailed). And outside of dealers, I bet very few posters on here buy many coins in details holders. Logiciically, most end up being cracked out to end up in the hands of the unsuspecting.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1124242/want-to-buy-details-graded-coins-old-small-anacs-slabs-mainly-modern-commems#latest
Well there's one apparently!
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
one does qualify as very few
Ah, thank you that makes sense and is really scummy.
I know a local dealer who will buy every details key date he can get his hands on because he cant keep them in stock. Collectors with a limited budget or who want a complete set for their albums without spending lots of $ buy them all.
I know several collectors who love details graded coins because they get coins with a higher 'grade' at a reduced price compared to problem free. In the long run I bet they'll regret it, but there's a huge market for them among collectors.
This forum is absolutely NOT representative of the average collector, and to surmise that because we don't buy those coins they are mostly going to scam artists is quite the stretch.
There's far more than one.
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This!
I see many details coins in estates.
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There are so many degrees of what comprises a details coin that they shouldn't be all treated like the plague. If a collector would rather have an XF key date coin with a rim nick that has great color for their album then a clean Fine coin that's the same price, that's their choice and wouldn't say its a bad decision. Its how much of a discount and what's the issue that matters.
Now this dealer breaking out the coins and selling like nothing is wrong, that unethical.
Good insight. Not a part of the market I am active in and I should know better than to generalize based on my own limited collector experience. I do not attend estate auctions, etc.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.