Has anyone seen an example like this before?
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I was going through wheat cents and found this coin. It's a 1942 wheat penny but the wheat stalk is struck on the rim. I haven't been able to locate another example of this. I am curious what people think about grading this? Any information would be helpful. Thank you.
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That is interesting. I look forward to answers.
Not an error expert here, but it looks like there's an incuse "M" above the "L" in PLURIBUS. Flip another cent over on top of this one and hit/squeeze, what do you get?
Vice job.
Odd that the two coins were squeezed together such that only the rim was affected, but the person operating the vice can do whatever they want.
Looks incuse which means vice.
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Easily done. Cut the wheat shaft out of another wheatie, place
it on the rim and squeeze. The other marks are just damage.
No cutting needed, just one coin slightly at an angle to the other. I had to look twice though. This definitely isn't the normal look for a vise job. The pattern of the wheat isn't obvious that it's incuse, but I agree that's the right answer.
At 12;00 and 6:00 you can see where the viced coin cut into the rim.
Bummer to, its got some decent overall meat on it
Can someone explain vice job to me? Or pictures or something?
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I'd like to see a video of that happening.
That's not a video. I say no way!! You're not strong enough to squeeze an image from one coin to another, with a bench vice! What kind of pounds/pressure would it take? I have no idea, I'm not an engineer. Maybe with an hydraulic vice.
Let's call an engineer... Hey @dcarr
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Definitely the incused impression from another coin.
Not part of the minting process.
How it happened is insignificant.
I'm not saying it's not PMD. I'm just skeptical it happening with a bench vice. But like you say; I guess it really doesn't matter. I'm just always interested in how these things happen.
I truly thought she might have had something there.
Obviously, the experts have spoken. It looked interesting at first.
@Creg @Morgan White We don't need sarcastic remarks from the peanut gallery. But thanks anyway!
When you say things like this, I would argue we need MORE sarcastic comments.
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@lermish And you're one of the number one sarcastic offenders around here. Thanks for proving my point!
It's called a "vise job" but it could just have easily been done with a hammer on a hard surface. The actual process can never be known and really doesn't matter.
Never too clever—
How would you know, alt? You've been here less than a month.
Enjoy your banning which I'm sure will be forthcoming.
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@Morgan White @Creg @lermish
Yes, I'm sure @lermish
It's interesting how you never see guys like @FredWeinberg @CaptHenway @MWallace @JohnF or @dcarr with the rude sarcastic remark and stupid pictures!
It's always a small group of clowns @Morgan White @Creg @lermish like you guys!... Why is that??
You gotta know how to tell a joke.
Also, we are not good at ignoring when people are being obtuse.
So, when some are being willfully ignorant, we give them the quality of response that they have earned.
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It all comes down to pressure (such as PSI - pounds per square inch) and the surface area of contact.
PSI times the surface area yields the total force required.
For the coin in question, the surface area of contact is actually quite small. The total force required to make that impression is within the range that could be applied by a bench vise rather easily.
I already posted my opinion above, just wanted to note that it's "vise", not "vice".
Carry on.
Try it yourself. It doesn't take that much pressure. Haven't you seen a bent or flattened coin. Do you think they were all put in a hydraulic press?
Have you ever seen a reed mark on a Morgan $? That just happens from one coin falling into another.
If you don't have a vise, you can get a weak impression just squeezing it by hand or tapping it with a hammer.
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That's still not a video. Lol. But an excellent point
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I think you're doing it wrong
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My house came with a work bench in the garage that had a fairly decent bench vise on it.
Went out there just now with a couple of BU 2023-D cents from my pocket change and got this:
This was just using both hands. Because of my polio I estimate that I have about 30% use of my right arm and 50% use of my left arm. I am sure that you could do better.
Now, if I had really wanted to get a good impression I would have picked up the 6 pound sledge I used to use to counterstamp ANACS MUSHROOM Ike dollars and tapped the swing arm with it, but I thought that this proved how simple it is to make a fake error with a bench vise.
THAT SAID, long ago I saw an old Proof set (late 1890's, early 1900's?) where the coins had been in old sleeves like stamp collectors use and the group placed inside a manila envelope, that had obviously been squeezed together hard enough to indent the rims and various design elements from various coins into their neighbors. Obviously this was not done on purpose, so maybe the set was on the bottom of the safe that somebody had also stored several 100 ounce bars of silver in. I don't know. Damn shame about the set.
The OP cent was damaged after it left the mint. The damage may or may not have been intentional. Please accept this and move on, everybody.
I wouldn't be surprised and it wouldn't be the first time.
This reminds me of a seller on eBay that is taking sheets of bills he’s obtained directly from the mint, cutting them awkwardly, then stating they are NOT homemade errors, but came straight from the mint like that. Funny thing is that you can see some of his other listed ‘currency errors’ with the serial numbers in sequence…showing he is making them himself. Lol
Thanks very much Dan, Tom! That's all I was looking for. You're some of the go-to respected guys here.
Unlike a handful of clowns here.
Were wrong. That’s an atomic smasher.
When you argue with the entire forum, the memes come out.
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When you create a circus expect there to be clowns. 🤡
OAKSTAR reinvented himself (but not really).
I have a hydraulic shop press that I used in an experiment to make this:
Note the profile of Eisenhower superimposed on this Kennedy Half Dollar, plus the "S" mint mark between the date digits.
Ah, you're right, random conspiracy theories and out of control rage do remind me of @OAKSTAR
Hey mods, @Cidercottage26 is an alt of frequently banned member @OAKSTAR - please ban him again. Here are the receipts - posting the same coin...
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/13986728
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/14054460#Comment_14054460
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