1819 R Brazil 960 Reis struck over 1818 FD Chile Peso
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New pickup from Old Pueblo coin. After careful study of the true view I was satisfied that it is indeed a volcano peso lurking underneath. Not crazy rare but not something generally widely available either, as the majority of these were struck on various 8 Reales (mostly Mexico and Peru as I understand it so far).
Loved the uniqueness of the base type and the overall quality original surfaces.
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A little tough to view but I think I see the under type as you describe
I have a couple of these and I've enjoyed trying to figure out the undertypes. One is definitely a Spanish colonial 8 reales, date and mintmark uncertain; the other doesn't have enough surviving undertype details for me to ID anything.
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Nailed it.
Nice pick up! I’d like one with a volcano under type one day.
The Levy book on 960Rs are helpful for understanding relative rarity of the under types
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The literature recommendation is MUCH appreciated. I’ll be all over that. Thank you.
Very nice!
That is a type coin I never bought for my collection.
I have seen very many of the type over the years. With most, the undertype is scarcely visible, while with others, a minority, you can clearly see traces of the undertype.
The fact that so many Chile Independiente pesos were seemingly exported to Brazil helps explain the current scarcity of most dates in the series.
This is a very lovely and choice coin---I love the patina! And the writeup and analysis is great!
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Nice sleuthing to identify the undertype. There's no way I would have identified it as a volcano peso based on those markers.
I would love to deserve that credit, but the dealer was marketing the undertype. Obviously I spent some time verifying through the pictures, which wasnt overly difficult after being alerted to it (as @johnnycache demonstrated) but there was no sleuthing. All I did was pounce on it.
Nice pouncing
The majority of the word "UNION" being present is the clearest tell...
Volcano pesos are definitely a scarcer undertype vs. the usual Lima/Potosi/Mexico portrait 8R... then Argentina after that and various oddball undertypes.
A general rule of thumb in trying to judge the premium the undertype adds: the harder you have to stare and squint to discern the undertype, the less interested collectors are. Ideally you want to see some of the central design elements rather plainly (e.g., the Chilean pillar or volcano, the Argentina sunface - and the same holds true for portrait 8R also, of course).