Two Cleveland Pitchers Charged For Gambling Pitch Rigging
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Absolute idiots especially Clase who was making several million and had a big payday coming
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Well the good news is they will be available to pitch on the prison baseball team.
Beautiful
I hope they rip the lid off all the crooked sports betting BS across the board
Together with other recent developments this is the sort of thing that should have been expected with all the legalization of gambling. With all the money floating around and available as influence somebody will cheat. It was bettor(sic) back in the old days when you met someone at the local bar and placed bets with him. We all knew it was going on, we all did it.
My memories are of needing to go to Nevada or Atlantic City to gamble or do like above because everyone knew a bookie. It had a sort of "elegance" to it and as young boys/men we all heard stories. My Dad wasn't a big gambler but he bet on stuff and played poker. Now there are 2-3 Casinos within an hour of me, probably over a dozen close enough to drive to.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Prop bets are fun like the coin flip, but I think a lot of them should probably be eliminated especially ball strike garbage in baseball. Its just too easy to manipulate that. They were throwing pitches that didnt even reach the dirt to make a reported like 5-10k which makes no sense with what they have made
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100% agreed
The live betting is a different level of action though, I love it and think it's great and non e of us were getting that from a bookie back in the day, plus all the stats bets you can make is way better than just being limited to a line on the game
That being said the over under on individual stats is definitely something that can easily be manipulated and the betting sites are well aware of it
They have implemented a void to any player who goes out on injury in the first half of a game or first few innings of a MLB game so that helps curb it but it's still can be manipulated when a player is in on it
All of these sports betting scandals should be no surprise. I just saw an ad where Caesar’s Palace has become “The Official Casino of the NFL.” Really, guys? Are you listening to yourselves? When I was last in Los Vegas over a decade ago, there were big rooms where people played the spread on NFL games. Where you locate the buffet next to the dinner table, should be surprised when player take extra servings?
After the 1919 Black Sox scandal, players were asked about going to the race track. Now they can be next door to the casino.
So ridiculously dumb, almost beyond belief, to ruin a lucrative dream career over this. Plus it seems they are going to also lose their freedom for a number of years. A lot of 20 year figures being tossed around, although I doubt if it will be that much. But I'd sure hate to be standing there when the judge hands out the sentence. Certainly it will only be bad or worse.
Tend to agree with much of your viewpoint. It no longer is a special event for me to visit a race track or casino. You have OTB's,phone betting for horse racing and a plethora of casinos within easy driving distance. The way casinos have been built it almost rivals the convenience/drug store expansion.
I definitely wouldnt want to be there either. Regardless of the sentence though I would be shocked if either ever play in the MLB again and Cleveland is likely already working on voiding their contracts and maybe trying to get some money back
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Not sure if the teams can get their money back? However the rest that you mention is a foregone conclusion.
For sure, MLB will be sending out a stark message about this to anyone else contemplating doing this in the future.
Im not sure they can get it back either but Id bet they will be looking into if they can, Id guess probably not unless they sued them for rigging things which probably isnt worth their time to do so.
Completely agree that the league and the justice department will be looking to send a message to everyone else
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Perhaps any signing bonus money, the team might be able to get a portion of that back. There very well may be stipulation in the contract such as engaging in illegal activity, not only voids the contract, but also the player must give back at least some of the signing bonus.
I was watching a program where it showed the evidence against these 2 - their "Goose" is cooked - have fun getting out of this one boys!
Makes ya wonder if Clase didn't purposely blow those 2 appearances against the Yankees in the playoffs.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
That's from the Draft Kings app, I'm sure other sites have similar rules
I'm not a big fan of bookies, but that is some very good policy when it comes to protecting their customers. Perhaps their ulterior motive is to protect themselves, but in any event it helps honest customers so I applaud it.
The league and possibly the team as well should be able to put hefty fines on them if they want. They lose leverage with the impending lifetime ban. I am expecting them to come down very hard and this certainly didnt catch them by surprise.
I dont think either of them actually threw a game, but when you give up a free ball on the first pitch it does change the nature of the at bat which obviously can have big implications on the game
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death, taxes, and people & companies selling their souls to the devil to make a buck
can you imagine these collaborations with gambling companies back when you were a kid who simply loved to watch sports? it's funny to think about, really. it was so completely taboo back then. like, if you were going to gamble, it better be on the down-low, otherwise you run the risk of being ostracized by everyone and their dog. now, you're being publicly spoon-fed on a daily basis. everyone is about to blow chunks because they're so full. and the pearl-clutching is laughably insufferable. oh my goodness gracious, how dare these professional players and coaches sully our sport's integrity -- while we're simultaneously playing tonsil hockey with FanDuel. the horror!
nothing more entertaining than watching mass chaos ensue when Pandora's box flies wide open
It's interesting how this seems to not be getting the press blitz that it deserves. All professional sports are now in bed with big time betting interest entities such as Fan Duel so this will eventually be swept under a rug somewhere because the profits from these entities outweigh the integrity of the games anymore in today's world.
Im guessing that some of the networks just arent being allowed to really cover it intensely as they should. ESPN just made a deal with DraftKings and Disney owns both ESPN and ABC, NBC is DraftKings as well and then like you mentioned the league partnerships like MLB with FanDuel, the NFL with both DK and FD etc. The traditional media all have some sort of relationship where its not in their best interest to have a ton of coverage of it
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Bingo!
You are absolutely right. For an analogy take a comparison to cigarettes. When cigarette advertising was legal, and was huge advertising revenue for the media, the media basically never had a story about the health dangers of cigarettes. Once cigarette advertising was banned, and thus no longer any advertising revenue from it, the media suddenly got virtuous and had cigarettes cause cancer, etc, stories in abundance.
Now with the proliferation of gambling, particularly sports betting, and the media now receiving enormous revenue from it, the media is going to be reluctant to publish news stories that might influence the public not to bet.
I once read a book about the "robber barons" of the 19th century. Names such as John Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, Cornelius Vanderbilt, and JP Morgan. Companies have been doing this chit for a long time.
If any of these four were alive today, likely one or perhaps all of them would own a valuable sports team. LOL
Pitch level bets have now been limited to a maximum of 200 dollars and are excluded from parlays
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As always, just follow the money.
What an idiot - Clase has a phone text trail that Stevie Wonder could follow!!!!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
i just saw one of the pitches in question and i'm here to tell you that it would have been impossible to detect any chicanery sans the betting activity. it did not bounce. in fact, it was a pretty nasty pitch. Clase took a little something off of a slider and the bottom dropped out at 89 mph. from my understanding it was an < 97.95 mph + ball parlay, and unfortunately for all parties involved the batter swung at it 😅
They really need to get rid of the pitch velo bets as well. Part of pitching is changing speeds even on the same pitch and just to easy to corrupt
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Hey look at the bright side as the prisoners like Bubba is going to get some fresh bodies for their pleasure.
I agree with galaxy27.
We've only seen the tip of the iceberg; more and more of this is going to happen as college and professional sports continue to get in bed with gambling.
who would ever have guessed that integrating gambling sites with professional sports leagues would lead to gambling problems among players/coaches etc.
seems like they are lying in the beds they made themselves...
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Why do you have to make everything about sex?!
I worked in a prison for 20 years and I can promise you neither one of these guys are going to be victimized by "Bubba* unless they rat on everyone
It might sound silly but the legalization and partner ships are much better than the situation before with bookies. People have bet on sports for as long as sports have been around. Putting it out in the open gets watch dog regulatory groups involved which is why these guys are getting caught now
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