@jfriedm56: thanks, as always! The set can be found in PCGS Set Registry under the heading I mentioned above. Each coin has pics. The set is named “Indy Flyers”. I haven’t added the above coin as the seller hasn’t released it from his inventory yet. This is an all too common issue with adding coins in a Registry set, but eventually works itself out. When I’m able to add it, I’ll edit the post & indicate this.
Update (6/30): The set is now complete in Registry. Ranking is #2 in active sets & #3 all time (behind two legendary pattern collectors)! The former owner never did comply with my request to release the coin, but set Registry did so after I submitted time/date stamped pics.
@Copperindian said: @jfriedm56: thanks, as always! The set can be found in PCGS Set Registry under the heading I mentioned above. Each coin has pics. The set is named “Indy Flyers”. I haven’t added the above coin as the seller hasn’t released it from his inventory yet. This is an all too common issue with adding coins in a Registry set, but eventually works itself out. When I’m able to add it, I’ll edit the post & indicate this.
Ken, I know the frustration of trying to add a newly acquired coin to my registry sets, that is still indicated belonging in the previous owners set. Eventually it clears itself up with a little work on our part. What's next? Zack.
@jfriedm56: Zack - you’re right (& that owner is a well known & highly regarded collector who should know better)! It’s looking like the time/date pics will be needed but I can’t do that until Wednesday.
Next: for this set, I’m keeping it active to see if I can improve any of the slots. There are 4 of the 12 not CAC approved, so there’s that. Maybe I can push it higher into #1. The current #1 is the collector that persuaded me into patterns. Some irony there!
By design, I’m slowly adding type gold & that’s been a fun ride. Otherwise, always looking for a nice FE or IHC. Finally, nice CAC approved types + “mini” sets. Example of the latter is the 3 type 1 1913 Buffaloes. That was fun & a bit nostalgic.
What about you? I noticed you’re really into commemoratives. That’s an area I know zero about. How about other coins, though?
Thanks, as always, for your commentary!
Ken
@Copperindian, wow, those are still lofty goals on your part Ken.
As for me, continuing to add to my:
FE, IHC, Lincoln cent, Buffalo nickel, SLQ, Walkers, Classic Commems, Morgan & Peace dollar and my Type set.
Never been able to focus on one group. Maybe that’s the problem! If I see a coin I like, and the price is in my budget, I’ll own it.( if only for a short time in its history).
Zack.
Pattern noob here. I think that's because 99% of the patterns I see are either issues that don't appeal to me or they cost more than my house haha.
Just got this back from CAC yesterday. This pattern really does have a good story:
First US gold pattern
First US gold dollar
Steam press was first used at the US Mint in March 1836 which may explain why this looks like a modern proof (Can someone smarter than me confirm if this is correct, please?)
Same 90/10 alloy used in regular-issue gold coins (also made of copper, gilt copper & a gold/silver alloy which is wild)
Features the Liberty or Phrygian Cap which symbolizes freedom and liberty
Unknown mintage and some midnight restrikes occurred
Per CoinFacts "it is impossible to tell the originals from the restrikes, but it may be possible to make that determination based on weight or alloy measurements". PCGS said mine was an original (I submitted it raw FYI) so that's cool.
This coin is a “PS” to my collecting saga of these patterns previously posted in this thread. After a pretty long search for the J-203, one was added several months ago that completed the set. This one is a SB auction win held subsequent to this year’s WFOM. As it’s a PR65, I replaced the PR64 in the set that took so long to find with this one. It has nicer eye appeal along with the higher grade + has CAC approval too.
A similar and unique variety in gold recently brought over 500K at Stacks Bowers. This gilt copper piece not a bad compromise at a small fraction of the price.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic. Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Another upgrade from the post WFOM show SB auction:
A few months ago, I posted about my 1858 1C PR Pattern Short Set. My old J-208 was a cross from NGC in PR64. I liked it (actually still do) but JA turned it down. Reasons unknown but I didn’t ask.
This one is not only a grade higher but also has the coveted CAC approval. Most important, I do like it better than the one it replaced.
Finally, the TV is abysmal, but I’ll post it anyway:
Side note: that’s a holder “scratch” in the first pic above.
The Trueview of the J-211 was posted tonight. I really think this could have gone DCAM. Not the greatest photo, but it does capture the contrast nicely.
The 2 J-404s are from the same die pair, which is not listed in Rick’s guide, and from my research appear to be the only two known for it. There is pretty obvious repunching on the 6 and 5 that does not match any variety noted in his books (pattern, proof, or normal business strike). Both of these came from the same collection, Karpales aka “historical scholar collection”. The MS64 J-356b also came from that collection. I’ll post pics of those when I get home.
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@jfriedm56: thanks, as always! The set can be found in PCGS Set Registry under the heading I mentioned above. Each coin has pics. The set is named “Indy Flyers”. I haven’t added the above coin as the seller hasn’t released it from his inventory yet. This is an all too common issue with adding coins in a Registry set, but eventually works itself out. When I’m able to add it, I’ll edit the post & indicate this.
Update (6/30): The set is now complete in Registry. Ranking is #2 in active sets & #3 all time (behind two legendary pattern collectors)! The former owner never did comply with my request to release the coin, but set Registry did so after I submitted time/date stamped pics.
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Copperindian II
Indy Eagles
Gold Rush
Bust Caps
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
Early Walkers
Successful transactions: Eagle Eye, redraider, winesteven, renomedphys, splitaces, oreville, ajaan, Cent1225, onlyroosies, justindan, blitzdude, DesertMoon, johnnyb, Heubschgold, SunshineRareCoins, ParadimeCoins, ndeagles, Southern_Knights, pcgsregistrycollector
Ken, I know the frustration of trying to add a newly acquired coin to my registry sets, that is still indicated belonging in the previous owners set. Eventually it clears itself up with a little work on our part. What's next? Zack.
@jfriedm56: Zack - you’re right (& that owner is a well known & highly regarded collector who should know better)! It’s looking like the time/date pics will be needed but I can’t do that until Wednesday.
Next: for this set, I’m keeping it active to see if I can improve any of the slots. There are 4 of the 12 not CAC approved, so there’s that. Maybe I can push it higher into #1. The current #1 is the collector that persuaded me into patterns. Some irony there!
By design, I’m slowly adding type gold & that’s been a fun ride. Otherwise, always looking for a nice FE or IHC. Finally, nice CAC approved types + “mini” sets. Example of the latter is the 3 type 1 1913 Buffaloes. That was fun & a bit nostalgic.
What about you? I noticed you’re really into commemoratives. That’s an area I know zero about. How about other coins, though?
Thanks, as always, for your commentary!
Ken
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Copperindian II
Indy Eagles
Gold Rush
Bust Caps
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
Early Walkers
Successful transactions: Eagle Eye, redraider, winesteven, renomedphys, splitaces, oreville, ajaan, Cent1225, onlyroosies, justindan, blitzdude, DesertMoon, johnnyb, Heubschgold, SunshineRareCoins, ParadimeCoins, ndeagles, Southern_Knights, pcgsregistrycollector
@Copperindian, wow, those are still lofty goals on your part Ken.
As for me, continuing to add to my:
FE, IHC, Lincoln cent, Buffalo nickel, SLQ, Walkers, Classic Commems, Morgan & Peace dollar and my Type set.
Never been able to focus on one group. Maybe that’s the problem! If I see a coin I like, and the price is in my budget, I’ll own it.( if only for a short time in its history).
Zack.
Pattern noob here. I think that's because 99% of the patterns I see are either issues that don't appeal to me or they cost more than my house haha.
Just got this back from CAC yesterday. This pattern really does have a good story:
Louis Armstrong
Post WFOM auction win:
This coin is a “PS” to my collecting saga of these patterns previously posted in this thread. After a pretty long search for the J-203, one was added several months ago that completed the set. This one is a SB auction win held subsequent to this year’s WFOM. As it’s a PR65, I replaced the PR64 in the set that took so long to find with this one. It has nicer eye appeal along with the higher grade + has CAC approval too.
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Copperindian II
Indy Eagles
Gold Rush
Bust Caps
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
Early Walkers
Successful transactions: Eagle Eye, redraider, winesteven, renomedphys, splitaces, oreville, ajaan, Cent1225, onlyroosies, justindan, blitzdude, DesertMoon, johnnyb, Heubschgold, SunshineRareCoins, ParadimeCoins, ndeagles, Southern_Knights, pcgsregistrycollector
A similar and unique variety in gold recently brought over 500K at Stacks Bowers. This gilt copper piece not a bad compromise at a small fraction of the price.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Another upgrade from the post WFOM show SB auction:
A few months ago, I posted about my 1858 1C PR Pattern Short Set. My old J-208 was a cross from NGC in PR64. I liked it (actually still do) but JA turned it down. Reasons unknown but I didn’t ask.
This one is not only a grade higher but also has the coveted CAC approval. Most important, I do like it better than the one it replaced.
Finally, the TV is abysmal, but I’ll post it anyway:
Side note: that’s a holder “scratch” in the first pic above.
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Copperindian II
Indy Eagles
Gold Rush
Bust Caps
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
Early Walkers
Successful transactions: Eagle Eye, redraider, winesteven, renomedphys, splitaces, oreville, ajaan, Cent1225, onlyroosies, justindan, blitzdude, DesertMoon, johnnyb, Heubschgold, SunshineRareCoins, ParadimeCoins, ndeagles, Southern_Knights, pcgsregistrycollector
PCGS just crossed my J-211 in PF66CAM!! Top pop and one of only two graded with the CAM designation (other is PF64CAM).
Others crossed from NGC:
J-208 PF65+ (Crossed from CAC)
J-356b MS64
J-356b PF65
J-404 MS64
J-404 PF65
They did not cross 2 others:
J-203 PF64CAM
J-206PF65CAM
Pretty darn good crossover submission in my eyes!
@redraider:
NICE Jonathan! My J-211 is “only” a PR65. Simpson provenance but no CAC!
Ken
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Copperindian II
Indy Eagles
Gold Rush
Bust Caps
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
Early Walkers
Successful transactions: Eagle Eye, redraider, winesteven, renomedphys, splitaces, oreville, ajaan, Cent1225, onlyroosies, justindan, blitzdude, DesertMoon, johnnyb, Heubschgold, SunshineRareCoins, ParadimeCoins, ndeagles, Southern_Knights, pcgsregistrycollector
The Trueview of the J-211 was posted tonight. I really think this could have gone DCAM. Not the greatest photo, but it does capture the contrast nicely.
The 2 J-404s are from the same die pair, which is not listed in Rick’s guide, and from my research appear to be the only two known for it. There is pretty obvious repunching on the 6 and 5 that does not match any variety noted in his books (pattern, proof, or normal business strike). Both of these came from the same collection, Karpales aka “historical scholar collection”. The MS64 J-356b also came from that collection. I’ll post pics of those when I get home.