1880-S Morgan GTG (Confirm the Grade)

coinshop

possible 68? It is an old NGC fattie..

coinbuf

@coinshop said:
possible 68? It is an old NGC fattie..

Chance at MS68 = 0. The coin is graded right as is, the rev limits the grade.

coinshop

Missed that big ding by 3 o clock by the right wing on rev.

johnny9434

Ms 65 seems to be spot on, jmo

coinshop

But let's acknowledge: that obverse?

mattniss

That coin would grade 66 today regardless of the hit on the reverse IMO.

seatedlib3991

Not my series. Beautiful coin but that gash on the reverse would keep it from being a grade like 66 for me. congrats again. Nice coin. james

coinshop

Grade-flation, and I happen to agree

FlyingAl

I think it's netted for the reverse hit. Maybe a point low, but not 68.

U1chicago

@mattniss said:
That coin would grade 66 today regardless of the hit on the reverse IMO.

I think so too. One could get unlucky but more times than not, it should come back 66.
And this is not an endorsement to crack or resubmit. The coin should get a premium to a generic 65 that would eliminate most of the benefit of any upgrade to a 66.

coastaljerseyguy

Very nice, I would try to get a CAC sticker and leave in the older NGC slab.

coinbuf

@coinshop said:
Missed that big ding by 3 o clock by the right wing on rev.

And the one above the eagles head, and those above and below States, and the marks next to the arrow tips, and the marks in the eagles wing, and the stain or mark under the N of One. Should I continue?

Yes the obv is very nice and very well could carry the coin to MS66 in todays market inflated grading room. But between the cost to regrade, the loss of the old holder premium (minor for this holder I know) and the minimal value bump between a premium 65 like this to 66 you could be in the hole. As already mentioned send to CAC, if by some chance you get a gold bean that would be the time to consider cracking or regrading.

marcmoish

65+ imho, nice example, like!

sanddollar

Nice gem Morgan but that reverse mark looks deep and the focal point of it doesn't help. The grade seems fair and wouldn't you rather have this at MS65 and have a few members thinking it deserves a bump or at that bump and many thinking it is then overgraded?

cheezhed

Not a possible 68, enjoy it as it is.

logger7

These come nice usually, probably the majority of MS67-69 Morgans are 80s. I'd try cac and hope for a gold.

rodepetdinosaur

65 seems accurate. Nice coin. Good eye appeal

Morgan13

Looks like a 66 to me. I think the smartest move would be to send it to CAC

gumby1234

Nice 65. Definitely not on the 68.

LeeBone

As others have stated, I would send it to CAC

Smudge

65 seems about right. Tried to cam.

t_ferg

@coinbuf said:

@coinshop said:
Missed that big ding by 3 o clock by the right wing on rev.

And the one above the eagles head, and those above and below States, and the marks next to the arrow tips, and the marks in the eagles wing, and the stain or mark under the N of One. Should I continue?

Yes the obv is very nice and very well could carry the coin to MS66 in todays market inflated grading room. But between the cost to regrade, the loss of the old holder premium (minor for this holder I know) and the minimal value bump between a premium 65 like this to 66 you could be in the hole. As already mentioned send to CAC, if by some chance you get a gold bean that would be the time to consider cracking or regrading.

After the coin is a gold stickered old holder, you'd consider a crackout or regrade?

coinbuf

@t_ferg said:

@coinbuf said:

@coinshop said:
Missed that big ding by 3 o clock by the right wing on rev.

And the one above the eagles head, and those above and below States, and the marks next to the arrow tips, and the marks in the eagles wing, and the stain or mark under the N of One. Should I continue?

Yes the obv is very nice and very well could carry the coin to MS66 in todays market inflated grading room. But between the cost to regrade, the loss of the old holder premium (minor for this holder I know) and the minimal value bump between a premium 65 like this to 66 you could be in the hole. As already mentioned send to CAC, if by some chance you get a gold bean that would be the time to consider cracking or regrading.

After the coin is a gold stickered old holder, you'd consider a crackout or regrade?

As someone that collects old holders I personally would not, especially since this would likely sell for far more with the gold bean than even in a 67 holder. But I also think the chances of a gold bean are almost zero, and not everyone cares about the old holder, especially one of these very common gen 4/5 holders.

ELVIS1

is that "gash" on the reverse a planchet flaw and if it is does that even have an effect on the grade?
It's a Fine looking Morgan that someone would pay a bit more than 65 money

Cougar1978

65 - nice luster and strike

MsMorrisine

no gold bean

DennisH

65+

ELVIS1

https://www.pcgs.com/photograde#/Morgan/Grades
If you go by PCGS PHOTOGRADE its a 66 border 67

KOYNGUY

MS-66-67 OBV/ 63-64 REV, Obverse is 2/3 to 3/4 of composite grade for coin. Barring hairlines or other MINOR problems not seen in photo,
My grade is MS-66, with a minor possibility of 65+
MS65 is a tab low for that obverse and MS-67 obviously impossible with that 4 point reed mark on the reverse 85% 66, 15% 65. As always my personal opinion. J.P. Martin

coinshop

I think the obv is a near 68. It has that look. Maybe 67+. The rev is the down player. Had those gashes been non-issue it would be an easy 66 or 67.

sanddollar

@coinshop said:
I think the obv is a near 68. It has that look. Maybe 67+. The rev is the down player. Had those gashes been non-issue it would be an easy 66 or 67.

Is this you?

coinshop

Beautiful obverse and it should gold cac..I can't see how it doesn't have a shot