PCGS Ancients starting

Zwiggy

This is great to see! The more interesting thing here is the 10 point grading scale… I personally am all for it…
The downside, it seems to only be for Chinese cash coins to date.

To quote
“PCGS is thrilled to announce our expansion into grading ancient coins. Starting today, we are authenticating and encapsulating select Chinese cash coins from the Qing Dynasty era,
available exclusively at our Shanghai office. We are also offering something no other
third-party grading service has done: A comprehensive guarantee on ancient coins,
covering both the grade and authenticity.
With the addition of this service line, we are also introducing a new 10-point grading scale for
ancient cash coinage. Explore qualifying coins, the PCGS Ancients Guarantee, and this new grading scale.“

291fifth

10 point grading scale ... why?

Authenticity guarantee ... I hope the "experts" really are experts.

WCC

@291fifth said:
10 point grading scale ... why?

Authenticity guarantee ... I hope the "experts" really are experts.

I haven't read the announcement, but hopefully not the same 10-point scale as cards and comics. That's not actually a 10-point scale.

Why? Probably to use one different from NGC.

John Conduitt

As usual with ancients and hammered coins in general, grading is irrelevant. 5, 10, 100 points, it isn't useful. Guaranteeing authenticity, on the other hand, is useful. If only the coins were actually ancient and not modern, as these Chinese coins are.

Exbrit

The ten point system sank like a rock at NGC. Authenticity is useful, if they have the ability experts to authenticate them.

Abuelo

Qing dynasty is XVII century, is not? Not sure these are ancients.

jt88

@Abuelo said:
Qing dynasty is XVII century, is not? Not sure these are ancients.

Qing dynasty is 1644–1912

Abuelo

@jt88 said:

@Abuelo said:
Qing dynasty is XVII century, is not? Not sure these are ancients.

Qing dynasty is 1644–1912

My point exactly, these are not ancient coins.

Sapyx

PCGS posted in their official thread on the subject that they are effectively re-defining the word "ancients" so as to include Chinese cash coins.

Abuelo

@Sapyx said:
PCGS posted in their official thread on the subject that they are effectively re-defining the word "ancients" so as to include Chinese cash coins.

I saw that. Yet I have Mexican coins that are a century older and nobody would think they are "ancient".

MrMonkeySwag96

NGC doesn't guarantee the authenticity of ancient coins, they only holder coins they think are "authentic" in their opinion. NGC isn't liable if they slab a fake ancient coin. I wonder if PCGS would offer a true guarantee of authenticity for ancients.