Why would an 1828 Large Date Bust dime in NGC G-4 sell for $851.62?

RichieURich

See Great Collections #1833290. PCGS Price Guide in G-4 is $175. There were 38 bids.

4Redisin

It must be a rare die combo. I'm sure one of the members will ID it today.

291fifth

Too much money and too little sense.

yosclimber

It must be a rare die combo. I'm sure one of the members will ID it today.

I don't think so, but I could be wrong.
There is only one die pair known for the 1828 Large Date, and it's R-3 in the Davis, et al book.
I don't see any special rare die state like a cud in the above photo.
So, unless it is some new reverse that is not in the Davis book, the price doesn't make sense on the basis of rarity.
The reverse looks like a good match to the Davis plate, so I don't think it is a new reverse.

It's a scarce variety that appeared only once in 2024 auctions, according the PCGS Auction Prices Realized, and GreatCollections records. (I didn't check Heritage or Stacks Bowers directly).
Maybe 2 people wanted it for their registry sets, and did not want to wait for the next one to appear.

jacrispies

Perhaps someone mistakenly believed there was a reverse cud. I know some big time collectors that pay up for them.

yosclimber

@jacrispies said:
Perhaps someone mistakenly believed there was a reverse cud. I know some big time collectors that pay up for them.

There might in fact be a cud that I missed.
@Bikergeek's thread from December 2024 says the 1828 JR-2 (Large Date) has a known cud at D STATES.

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1109725/bust-dime-cuds-post-your-pics-and-help-with-this-table

and here is an 1828 Large Date from GreatCollections 2022-12 which I believe shows this cud at D STA.

and here is an 1828 Large Date from GreatCollections 2022-1 which shows the initial die crack at D (straight to dentils from top of D, and diagonal right from bottom of D to P).

I think the reason I missed it on the G4 is that it seems to be an internal cud that is not strongly raised to the rim.

Manorcourtman

@yosclimber said:

@jacrispies said:
Perhaps someone mistakenly believed there was a reverse cud. I know some big time collectors that pay up for them.

There might in fact be a cud that I missed.
@Bikergeek's thread from December 2024 says the 1828 JR-2 (Large Date) has a known cud at D STATES.

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1109725/bust-dime-cuds-post-your-pics-and-help-with-this-table

and here is an 1828 Large Date from GreatCollections 2022-12 which I believe shows this cud at D STA.

and here is an 1829 Large Date from GreatCollections 2022-1 which shows the initial die crack at D (straight to dentils from top of D, and diagonal right from bottom of D to P).

I think the reason I missed it on the G4 is that it seems to be an internal cud that is not strongly raised to the rim.

Is the list every known cud in the series?

Crypto

The board wins again, good stuff

jesbroken

There is an 1828 JR-2 with Die Crack from Rim to D on Reverse, perhaps the early die state of a CUD? Similar to the 29.
Jim

yosclimber

@Manorcourtman said:
Is the list every known cud in the series?

Yes, as of January 19.
But it was posted as a "preliminary list" which is being researched.
And a member here posted many photos a few days later that I did not check to see if they are all on the list.

yosclimber

@jesbroken said:
There is an 1828 JR-2 with Die Crack from Rim to D on Reverse, perhaps the early die state of a CUD? Similar to the 29.
Jim

Yes.
Sorry, my post had a typo and I wrote 1829 when I meant to write 1828.