Bust Dime Cuds - Post Your Pics (and help with this table!)

Bikergeek

A cud happens when a piece of a die breaks away. Coins minted with such a die show partial or complete loss of details as metal flows up into this broken part during striking. I’m helping Dr. Glenn Peterson in his research into cuds on Capped Bust dimes. This post presents the proposed table of bust dime cuds by date and JR (“John Reich”) numbers, along with plenty of pics. We invite YOU to share your opinions, questions, and photos of cud bust dimes! (Send via PM or better yet, post in the thread). You may also reach Glenn directly at gpeters AT tds DOT net.
Cuds can affect the obverse, reverse, or even the edge (collar cuds). For our purposes, internal die breaks will be called cuds (although some folks hold the stricter definition that cuds involve the rim). I’ll update this table with any additions or corrections.

First, a few pics: Glenn wrote an article in the John Reich Journal about this 1833 JR-6 with retained cud at ATES OF.

 
1820 JR-10 with cud NITE

1825 JR-1 with cud Star 5-6

 

1825 JR-3 with cud at Star 3-4

1830 JR-3 with obverse cud at cap and reverse cuds at NITE, IC

 
Glenn owns this 1828 JR-1 with the pre cud chip at M. The reference Bust Dime Variety Identification Guide by Zack, Scuderi, and Sherrill shows a later die state with an internal cud from A2 to Scroll. Has anyone seen a later die state with cud involving the rim?

Last note for now: there are bust dimes with die bulges that may resemble cuds, but are not cuds. If you aren’t sure what you have, post it here and we can all check it out!

BustDMs

1825 JR-4

RichieURich

@BustDMs said:

1825 JR-4

That is a very rare cud! I've only seen one before and it sold very quickly.

Bikergeek

Thanks @BustDMs! Cool coin. Any disagreements with the table? I'd like to see a estimated cud rarity chart for the dimes, same as exists for the capped bust half dimes...

Bikergeek

Remember: bust dime cuds are cool. TTT!

Southcounty

Ok, ok...

Bikergeek

Thanks @Southcounty! Can you tell me what year (and JR# if you know it) those are?

Mr_Spud

Very cool, keep going

BHNC054

Thankyou to Southcounty for the pictures of the 1835 JR 2's This is gpeters the one working on the article for JRCS on Bust Dimes. I am trying to get good photos for the article and re-evaluate previous rarity ratings. Previous references suggested a rarity rating for 1835 JR 2 cud to be R7. Your two examples and my PCGS#33415095 XF 40 grade example suggest a rarity rating less than R7. DO you or others have a more accurate estimate?
Anyone have comments about whether the 32 cud dimes listed above is correct?
gpeters

Sunshine Rare Coins

I think that this is a 1835 JR-3 cud. Comments welcome.

Pnies20

@BHNC054 said:
Thankyou to Southcounty for the pictures of the 1835 JR 2's This is gpeters the one working on the article for JRCS on Bust Dimes. I am trying to get good photos for the article and re-evaluate previous rarity ratings. Previous references suggested a rarity rating for 1835 JR 2 cud to be R7. Your two examples and my PCGS#33415095 XF 40 grade example suggest a rarity rating less than R7. DO you or others have a more accurate estimate?
Anyone have comments about whether the 32 cud dimes listed above is correct?
gpeters

I don’t have any comments but just want to say

HI GLENN!!!!!!

Welcome to the forum 👋

Southcounty

@BHNC054 said:
Thankyou to Southcounty for the pictures of the 1835 JR 2's This is gpeters the one working on the article for JRCS on Bust Dimes. I am trying to get good photos for the article and re-evaluate previous rarity ratings. Previous references suggested a rarity rating for 1835 JR 2 cud to be R7. Your two examples and my PCGS#33415095 XF 40 grade example suggest a rarity rating less than R7. DO you or others have a more accurate estimate?
Anyone have comments about whether the 32 cud dimes listed above is correct?
gpeters

I have a general feel for some of the bust dime cuds that I tend to run across more than others, but to extrapolate R values based on that would be a big jump. Starting with some previous estimates and running a JRCS census would likely be our best bet to try and get a better feel for the rarity estimates. However, there are so many states, or stages, for many of these that it might be difficult to get everyone to agree on which stage they are referencing.

Here is an 1834 JR-5 that I purchased off of ebay in a low grade group specifically for this cud starting at the bottom of the date. It might not be as complete and clear as some of the other known examples, but I hadn't run across any previously and the price for the cull group was a steal. I sent it to PCGS to be graded, attributed, and TrueViewed.

jesbroken

Here's an 1830 UNI CUD. I think it to be a JR-1, but not completely sure.
Jim

jesbroken

Any chance this has a reverse cud at STATES and below ARROWS or more than likely just damage. Only photo I have.
Jim

jesbroken

Here's my 1833 JR-4 CBDime. Not the greatest condition, but I like it.
Jim