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Another Fine Offering from Great Southern Coins
gorebels
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They sell thousands of coins and sometimes make mistakes. I have sent the following 'question' and will see what their response is.
This coin looks like it started as a 1944-S before someone tooled the last couple digits to make them look like 1's.
Usually it is a 1941 that is tooled to look like a 1911S.
It would’ve be the first time that GSC has sold counterfeit coins.
Caveat emptor.
Some one there messed up 😕
Is it counterfeit if it was altered as opposed to being minted? I am of the belief that a coin is counterfeit if it is minted/struck as such.
True, but if you use a 1944 to alter the spacing between the 9 - 1- 1 looks more even.
Reported......
buyer beware doesn't just apply to GSCs. They are a quantity over quality type of place but they are real coin guys and I don't think nefarious. Just a puppymil type of vendor but they do offer strong returns and communications so 90% of the fault here lies with the buying public. They are not a concierges coin dealer who educates and walks collectors though the hobby and their coins are cheaper as such. You want to pay strong retail and be coddled there are lots of dealers who will oblige
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
Some coins become “better coins through chemistry.” This one looks like “better coins via steel wool.”
Not much of a doubt. 11 is too tall and you can see the remainder of the last 4. Contacted seller. Let's see how they react.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
I agree and think “altered date” is the proper description for such a coin.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Generous to GSC.
Smitten with DBLCs.
Here is an altered date- 1944 tooled to become a "1914."
There must be an interest in these as even though the seller stated in every possible
way this cent was altered, it still sold for $116.00:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/177067549290
peacockcoins
I guess the buyer must have thought that the “1914-D” was a decent hole filler for his album.
Would Deller's Darkener hide the evidence a little better? The 1s shouldn't look like sticks tho.
It seems like a lot of trouble to go to to create a bogus semi-key date which has been cleaned to death.
The seller has taken down the listing.
But, the seller sees the photos before listing the coin and should have caught this. Having said that, I have made dumb mistakes myself. Mistakes are somewhat commonplace on eBay. Cherry-picks are easy and profitable if you know what to look for. No one complains about them.
Damn!! I have one of these. I need to ebay it.
GSC just answered with this:
New message from: greatsoutherncoin (257,758RED_SHOOTING_STAR Star)
Good catch Jim, thank you! We will remove the auction.
Bobby Esparza | Great Southern Coins
eBay Store: greatsoutherncoin
While not my catch, they did remove it.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
I have bought coins from GSC in plastic, but they tend toward great optimism in their raw listings.
They are a solid, reputable, company, IMHO.
They’ve been around a long time. It is my opinion that their descriptions of raw coins are often “wishful” and draw in a lot of rookies dreaming of getting a deal ( they have over 250k sales). They are not Santa Claus and their strong return policy is a calculated part of the business model.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
This
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
Very true-a lot of their coins look cleaned and they don't say it. But like any other volume coin seller you can get some bargains if you are careful. Volume sellers tend to be this way. Knowledge is key.
Five and a half hours ago they replied ->Hi (myebayhandle), good catch and thank you. We have ended this auction.
(It is easier with pictures and blow-up ability to see it much larger than in hand.)
Especially with that particular outfit.
I look for a VDB on the shoulder. I'd better not see one.
I encountered a half dozen of these altered 1944-S to look like 1911-Ss at a coin shop in Ann Arbor 50 years ago. They all had VDBs on the shoulder. There were 3-4 other people in the shop at the time, and it created a stir as they all wanted to look at the altered coins. It kicked off one of the craziest days of my life, including being assaulted by hundreds of people throwing apples.
Now the apple story seems far more interesting.
Jiim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
Stop the thread. What?
It may have only been 100 people, but I'm sure "The Victors" was playing while it happened.
I bought and bid on a lot of gold eagles from them in the past, never had a problem, of course they were all PCGS graded coins.
Mike
My Indians
Dansco Set
I sent them a message through eBay immediately after the auction went up. GSC did nothing.
Then again, I’m banned from bidding on their coins after I returned one due to misleading photos.