Clash ID Help
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I recently purchased an 1865 fancy 5 two cent with heavy clashing on the reverse. I know there is a clash associated with the plain 5. Can anybody help me ID this one? Thank you in advance for your help. The pictures are not high quality but the best I can take with my camera set up.
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Can't tell anything from those pictures, sorry.
Two more views
Looks like there is some die clash on the reverse; that likely match up with the obverse shield horizontal lines.
From maddieclashes.com website:
But I have no idea if there are any identified examples to match up with.
Thanks for the overlay! Good info. How do I find out if examples exist?
what is the purpose of finding other clashes that match?
In some series which are collected by die variety, clashes can help identify die states.
I believe there are few people who collect US Two Cents by die variety,
but there are a couple of books, and I recall one person studied one of the years.
I believe most people who collect Two Cent die varieties are mostly interested in the Cherrypicker style die varieties:
But the CPG does identify a few clashes as well.
I'm not sure what their threshold is for determining clashes of interest.
In other series, people would first identify die pairs using date position for the obverse,
and possibly mint mark position for the reverse.
But since the Two Cents does not have any mint marks, the main die marker is just date position.
In some series like 3CN (Three Cent Copper Nickel), some people believe that more coins were struck from clashed dies than from unclashed dies.
Clashes are definitely not rare in that series, but can still be of some interest.
Purpose of finding one that matches is to determine what designation the variety is. For example I know this clash is known in the plain 5 as FS-02-1865-401/901. TPG such as PCGS does not show it in the price which means they won't attribute it on their slabs. I would like to send it in to be graded and attributed with the clash.
ah. there is a FS number for some of these
forgive my ignorance
do you have a copy of the cherry picker's guide?or pcgs' coinfacts? forgive my ignorance if you've already looked in there
Yes I have the current Cherrypickers guide. A plain 5 clash is listed but not a fancy 5 version.
Most likely then, there is no FS number for the fancy 5 version. Without a number, PCGS would not attribute it (unless they would just denote 'die clash' on label?).
There is another TPG that will put something like 'die clash' on the label, but certainly no number if the number does not exist as of this time.