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DDP1964
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DDP1964
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Yes, it is post mint damage. It is not an error.
I'm going to contradict @Creg here.
I could be wrong but this looks like a striking issue. It is not an error, per se, but it is a section of the die that did not fully strike up the planchet, for a reason I can not fully determine from the image. Because the same anomaly occurs on the exact opposite (at the TES OF on the reverse) I think this could be a tapered planchet defect.
Again, not an error per se, but not PMD either.
“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
Todd - BHNC #242
Looks like there is a slight ridge ring forming in the area. I would say Die Deterioration.
The 8 and the 4 look flattened (as in PMD) to me. Better pics of the whole obverse would help.
You're looking in the right spot. Good pictures! 👍
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
Here, I fixed it for you.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
Perhaps a relevant question, at the stage where you're wondering if it's a "Mint error" or PMD would be whether, even if it were some sort of defect during the minting process, does it make any difference in value. I would suggest that, in this case, it would not make any difference.
I thought die deterioration too, but the flattened date swayed me. I assumed that the lines were scratches.
@pursuitofliberty — I don’t mind contradiction, I’m a learner here.
It's an error. There are several causes that are possible from the pictures:
... and maybe others as well.
All of those have one thing in common: they have absolutely no added value. Is there a reason you're asking about this uninteresting coin?
More pictures. Need a better camera. LOL
Your pictures and camera are fine.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
Yes. Know some errors add great value to the coin. Thanks for chiming in, Was thinking it could be worth some $.
Broadly speaking, that statement is not true.
Value depends on what someone is willing to pay. In the past 40+ years, nobody has been willing to pay more than 10 cents for this coin. That is unlikely to change now.
Again, why were you thinking such a thing? If someone told you that, you have a bone to pick with them for wasting your time.
@jonathanb You've been around a long time and know quite a bit about coins and mint errors (or anomalies), but that is not the case for a lot of people new to the hobby or these boards. All of your possibilities are valid (of course) and sometimes understanding these nuances is what keeps new collectors coming back wanting to learn more.
I know it's easy to get jaded with the "every error is worth a mint" rhetoric, but it sure didn't seem like the OP was thinking he scored a windfall. It sounded like he just wanted to know more.
Personally I'm glad people like @DDP1964 are asking questions and showing decent (good!) pictures. That's how we learn.
“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
Todd - BHNC #242
Based on the OP's post so far, that's exactly what it does seem like to me.
Of course the OP can easily show me wrong by telling us what they actually are thinking. That hasn't happened yet -- which is another sign to me that the OP is looking for a windfall and not interested in learning.
Are those two things mutually exclusive? If you find an anomaly on a coin, wouldn’t you like to know if there is any additional market value to it? There’s a time early in my collecting where I would have put this coin aside as well.
Perhaps you’d prefer if we were all born expert numismatists like yourself, but some of us have to ask questions and learn along the way. Your unwarranted, rude, and accusatory tone certainly isn’t conducive to that.
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
IMO, that's because of the weakness that continues on both sides of the date.
I find it actually is an interesting coin because we are not all in agreement. Although they don't impress any coin dealers, my MS red greasers, cuds, die chips, and die break coins are very interesting to me.
But I see (I think) flattening, not just flatness. To me the 8 looks enlarged beyond it's normal width.
Die erosion could do that but wear strike shouldn't. And I don't really see any other signs of serious die erosion.
I do also. One thing is for sure, if you had the actual coin, you could tell all of us what happened. I'm just guessing from what I see.
Another option would be to use what you see to eliminate important options so you can stop guessing.
Point out all of the other areas of the coin that show die erosion. Can't find any? Great.
Now describe ways that part of the die can show erosion while other parts do not. Can't think of any ways? Great.
Now describe ways that die erosion on the obverse die could cause similar erosion on the matching part of the reverse die (and nowhere else on the reverse die). Can't think of any ways? Great.
No guesswork is needed to be absolutely confident that die erosion is NOT a factor here.
In terms of what is happening with this coin (rather than what isn't happening)... What can cause matching weakness in the same spot on both sides of a coin, without causing any weakness in other locations? I can think of at least 3 ways that can happen in general, and I can eliminate one of them based on the pictures.
For those trying to learn: what can cause features similar to those seen on this coin, and which of those can be excluded based on other features that are lacking?
Thank you for your comment. I am trying to learn about coins. Not sure what is an error and what is not. I see pictures of coins with errors, but I would never think it had an error, I could be discarding coins that have errors and not even know it.
Why are you not sure? That sounds like an excellent thing to fix before doing anything else. Have you read the excellent resources linked from the very first message in this chat room? Do you have specific questions about what you read there?
What makes you think that those pictures show coins that truly have errors?
If you see a picture of a coin where you would never think it had an error... there's an excellent chance that your first impression is completely accurate and the coin does not have an error.
Errors are a common subject of clickbait and outright fraud. Just because you saw it on the Internet doesn't mean that it's true.
Repeating a question that you have not answered so far: why would it bother you to discard coins that have errors? There are billions of coins that have errors. Unless your goal is to hoard billions of coins, you should EXPECT to discard many, many, many coins with errors.
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To answer your question. Why would I want to discard a coin that a collector would like to have in his collection? Learning what I should be looking for.
Should I be posting on the error page?
@DDP1964 wrote:
You’re not discarding coins that have errors.
You might miss some of that all-but-invisible stuff. It takes experience looking at coins to specialize.
My specialty is seeing thousands of coins and finding little of interest and less of value.
The word “error” is too broad and many sellers abuse it—I don’t trust it.
Imagine that you find a coin with an “error”.
Would you want to sell it or would you want to start a set related to it in some way?
The answer to that drives how you earn respect and what members suggest for you.
Your courtesy is a good start. Hope you learn more.
If I happen to see this coin and noticed the issue, I would write it off as PMD.
Looks like it took a wack from something else in circulation.
Circulation being a key to me.
If you find a mint state with what looks like an error that's one thing... circulated coins at just well ment for circulation.
IMO Send this one back into the Wild.
I am trying my best. Went thru about 40 lbs. of coins this last weekend. Only found 4 that could be errors. Also have been looking around this site trying to learn from other people's posts. It's my second week looking at coins. I do have an error coin folder. Has only 2 in it so far. 3 more coins that I would like a second opinion on.
If you're truly interested in coin collecting, as opposed to striking it rich finding an "error" coin, then my suggestion to you is buy a coin album, Lincoln cents for instance, or whatever you like, and start filling the holes from circulation. Learn about the series along the way. That's a sincere way to start in the hobby.
The reason you're getting some push back is because 99.9% of people "looking for errors" are just trying to strike it rich because they saw a youtube video about "million dollar error coins" or some other nonsense on the internet, then they come here and expect to freeload off of the experts who post here. Most have a bad attitude, but good for you for being polite. That's a good start as Creg said above.
You're hearing expert opinions and they're telling you you're wasting your time looking for "errors". They're not wrong.