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New variety submission to our host. UPDATE: GRADES AND PHOTOS ARE IN, COINS ARE BACK WITH ME
SanctionII
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Today I sent to our host 16 coins dating from 1877 to 1962.
3 of the coins are already slabbed and they are unattributed FS varieties. I have requested that our host attribute them.
The other 13 coins are raw and include 10 FS varieties. I found these 13 slabbed and raw unattributed FS variety coins while looking through my collection.
These 10 raw coins I have requested that our host both grade and attribute. The other 3 raw coins are not varieties and have been submitted for grading only.
Should be interesting to see how this submission turns out.
Has anyone made a similar submission to our host? If so, how did it turn out for you?
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I have not but will anxiously await you posting the results,
best of luck
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I don’t know how it works here, but ATS, asking for a previously unattributed variety is really a heavy lift.
I have. You have 2 submissions there. Raw with varieties and re-holder with varieties. When I did it, a couple varieties ended up being close but no cigar and given minor variety label.
I have also submitted raw economy to get grades and then deciding if the grade was high enough to warrant variety attribution. Having the FS- on the label does not always warrant the extra cost to get it. Doing it this way increases the cost even more with an extra reholder and share of shipping/invoice, but you already know the grade portion.
The two submissions are now in QA. Grades will likely post this week. The two submissions were received by our host on 3-10-2025 and are being processed quickly.
Waiting patiently? Or...Impatiently??
Waiting patiently
For the 13 raw coins submission, grades have posted. The results are:
1 1 54826092 145357 1955 50C "Bugs Bunny" FS-401 MS64 USA
2 1 54826093 6703 1962 50C PR66 USA
3 1 54826094 86686 1956 50C Type 1, CAM PR66CA USA
4 1 54826095 6702 1961 50C PR68 USA
5 1 54826096 145648 1961 25C DDO FS-101 PR66 USA
6 1 54826097 85993 1961 25C, CAM PR67CA USA
7 1 54826098 146067 1958 25C FS-901, Type B Reverse MS64 USA
8 1 54826099 146068 1959 25C FS-901, Type B Reverse MS64 USA
9 1 54826100 5872 1962 25C MS64 USA
10 1 54826101 5994 1962 25C PR66 USA
11 1 54826102 5237 1962 10C PR66 USA
12 1 54826103 510038 1951-D/D 10C RPM FS-501 MS65 USA
13 1 54826104 85094 1950 10C, FB MS65FB USA
Lines 2, 4, 6, 9 and 13 are coins which I believe are varieties that are recognized as such by our hosts. Line 13 is the subject of a separate thread on the Set Registry Forum. I think that coin is the RPM FS-502 variety.
Line 3 is a surprise, as I did not think the coin would receive a CAM designation.
They did not see the D mintmark on the 1950 Roosevelt on your line 13?
Apparently not.
Very strange.
The two orders totaling 16 coins (13 and 3) have had grades and True Views posted.
In this reply I give the details of these two variety submissions.
One submission of three coins involved coins already slabbed and graded. The three coins were not attributed and I submitted them for variety attribution. The results for these three coins are:
1 1 32017989 395941 1877-CC 25C RPD FS-301 VF35
I thought that this coin is the RPD FS-301 variety (it is patently obvious) and it turns out I was correct.
2 1 42015020 147802 1961 50C DDR FS-802 PR67
I thought this coin is the DDR FS-802 variety (I looked closely at the Variety Vista and Coin Facts photos for this variety, comparing the coin to the photos before I decided that it is the variety). It turns out I was correct.
3 1 48469883 6703 1962 50C PR67
I thought that this coin is the DDO FS-101, but PCGS disagreed. After receiving the coin back home today I looked at the Variety Vista photos for the four varieties (DDR-001, DDR-002 [also FS-001], DDR-003 and DDR-004; and the Coin Facts photos of the 1962 Proof Franklin DDO variety. This coin has pronounced doubling on the date and obverse lettering, but the doubling does not match any of the photos I looked at. I suppose that the coin has strike doubling instead of die doubling.
One submission of thirteen coins involved coins that were submitted raw. Two of the thirteen coins are not varieties and are the toned 1962 proof dime and quarter that I mentioned in my separate thread about me assembling a toned 1962 proof set.
The remaining eleven raw coins are coins that I thought are varieties that PCGS would attribute as such. Of the eleven coins six of them received the attributions I desired. Two of the remaining five coins are clearly the varieties that I believe they are, but our host mistakenly missed things. The other three remaining coins our host did not attribute them as varieties and I, after looking at the coins today with a 30x loupe and comparing the coins with multiple Variety Vista and Coin Facts photos agree that the coins are not the varieites I thought they were.
1 1 54826092 145357 1955 50C "Bugs Bunny" FS-401 MS64
This coin is a no doubt Bugs Bunny.
2 1 54826093 6703 1962 50C PR66
I thought this raw coin is the DDO FS-101 variety (I looked closely at the Variety Vista and Coin Facts photos for this variety, comparing the coin to the photos before I decided that it is not the variety). It turns out I was not correct.
3 1 54826094 86686 1956 50C Type 1, CAM PR66CA
This coin is a no doubt Type 1, but I did not expect it to receive a CAM designation. Very happy with this result.
4 1 54826095 6702 1961 50C PR68
I thought this coin was the DDR FS-803 variety. PCGS disagreed. After receiving the coin back today I looked at it through a 30x loupe. I also looked at Variety Vista photos and Coin Facts photos for 1961 DDR proof Franklins and after doing so I agree with PCGS that this coin is not the FS-803 variety. However it is the Variety Vista DDR-002 variety. I also thought the coin would possibly warrant a Cameo designation but it did not receive it, likely because the wood stock on the Liberty Bell had lighter frost than that on the bell. I am very happy about the PF68 grade.
5 1 54826096 145648 1961 25C DDO FS-101 PR66
I thought this quarter is the DDO FS-101 variety. PCGS agreed.
6 1 54826097 85993 1961 25C, CAM PR67CA
I thought this quarter is also the DDO FS-101 variety. PCGS disagreed. After receiving the coin today I looked at Variety Vista and Coin Facts photos and compared them to the coin. PCGS is correct. The coin is not the DDO FS-101 variety, However the coin does have doubling that is readily noticeable. The doubling may be strike doubling, or it may be a doubled die that is not yet recognized.
7 1 54826098 146067 1958 25C FS-901, Type B Reverse MS64
8 1 54826099 146068 1959 25C FS-901, Type B Reverse MS64
9 1 54826100 5872 1962 25C MS64
All three of these coins are Type B (patently obvious). PCGS agreed on two of the three. How it missed on the 1962 is beyond me.
12 1 54826103 510038 1951-D/D 10C RPM FS-501 MS65
I thought this dime is the RPM FS-501 variety. PCGS agreed.
13 1 54826104 85094 1950 10C, FB MS65FB
This coin is not a 1950 P dime. It is a 1950 D dime; and it is also the RPM FS-502; and it is also a FB dime. The doubled D is clearly present on the reverse of the coin. On my submission form I identified the coin as a 1950 D RPM FS-502 dime. I have no idea how PCGS missed the D on the reverse of the coin and how it missed the doubled D on the reverse of the coin (a Major Mechanical Error in the labeling of the coin?)
I emailed PCGS about the error on the 1950 D RPM FS-502 dime and on the 1962 Type B quarter. Have not heard from PCGS yet.
Overall these two submissions went well for me; and if PCGS corrects the results of the 1950 D dime and the 1962 quarter it will be even better,
Did they charge full or half price for the varieties they did not attribute?
Half price.
4Redsin.
If your take on my reply summarizing the results of my two submissions is that I am pointing out the failings of our host (If it is your take is myopic), please read it again.
I did. When the perfect TPGS is established and they get it "right" the first time, I might be tempted to spend $35+ and wait a month to have some professional confirm my grade on an Ike dollar coin in my collection. Unfortunately, I don't think most professional graders have even heard of a "Talon Head."
Our host is taking a second look at the 1962 Type B quarter and the 1950 D RPM, FS-502 dime.
Thank you PCGS.
Thanks for that. My response would not have been as kind.
“In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." - Thomas Jefferson
My digital cameo album 1950-64 Cameos - take a look!
Me thinks that this variety submission of mine will eventually turn out even more positive for me (the two mistakes for the 1962 Type B quarter and the 1950 D RPM FS-502 dime being correctly attributed). I will provide an update on ............... the rest of the story.
This thread has taken a detour off the rails due to 4Redisin's posts (the purpose of my 4-5-2025 11:01 p.m. reply was/is not to point out failings; it was to provide a summary of the results of my submission) and that is unfortunate.
My thanks to our host for agreeing to take a second look at both coins and fix the mechanical error
Let’s get this thread back on track. That is a great submission Sanction. I’m glad you are getting the issues corrected. Thanks for letting us know that PCGS is looking at the issues! You are a valued member here and many of us enjoy your posts. Don’t let the few stop you from posting.
Sanction... we're you expecting higher grades on the Type B's? If not why grade them at this level.. are you doing a subset? Forgive if you have already divulged... I equate you with cherry picking Proof sets...
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“In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." - Thomas Jefferson
My digital cameo album 1950-64 Cameos - take a look!
Today on my Order for the 13 coin submission the following new information has shown up for the 1962 MS Quarter and for the 1950 D dime:
9 1 54826100 146070 1962 25C FS-901, Type B Reverse MS64 USA
13 1 54826104 929319 1950-D 10C FS-502, Repunched Mintmark, FB MS65FB USA
I am pleased with this update.
My thanks to our host.
Relaxn.
I belatedly reply to your post of 4-23-2025 at 9:29 p.m.
For the 1958, 1959 and 1962 Type B quarters, I found them raw, sitting in my collection. Since they are the Type B variety I thought it would be interesting to submit them and have three slabbed examples of this Variety in my collection. I mostly collect Proofs and thus have no idea how an MS quarter will numerically grade. Submitting these three quarters was not a money maker for me, but it was hobby fun.
If I ever decide to collect MS circulation strike silver Type B Washington Quarters I will most likely purchase already slabbed examples of the coins instead of submitting raw coins to make them.
Today I was informed by our host that the 1962 P quarter is the Type B reverse that graded MS64; and that the 1950 D dime is the FS-502 Repunched Mintmark variety that graded MS65FB.
The MS Trueviews look too dark. Just shocking to me they still have not been able to get these right again after Phil got lured away to GC.
The dime and quarter are back with me.