It might not be as cloudy as it seems. Some of what you see could be from the mint package.
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The Full Bell Lines designation on Franklin half dollars is given only to circulation strikes. Proof Franklins do not receive that designation because all of these proof coins have fully struck bell lines.
As for stains, the reverse photos shows possible stains at the bottom of the bell immediately above the clapper and beneath the R in America. On the obverse there is possible staining above the I in In continuing to Ben’s hair. If those are stains they may be milk spots, that will not come off with a bath.
The reverse photos shows lettering and the wooden stock having frost that is weaker than the frost on the bell and the obverse frost.
This half is in an OGP set I bought on EBay. Looking forward to receiving the set.
I received the OGP set today. The half looks, inside the cello with some light haze, that it may warrant a Cameo designation. Will cut it out and give it a bath later today.
Gave the half a bath. It looks better. I am on the fence about whether the half will receive a Cameo designation since the frost on the stock of the Liberty Bell is weaker than the frost on the bell itself.
I will be sending it in for grading, so stay tuned.
Looking at the half closely with a loupe reveals that it is the Variety Vista DDR-002 variety. There are bridges of metal present between the P and L; and between the I and B in E Pluribus Unum. Also there is strike doubling present on States Of America.
These two 1961 halves both graded PF67 in late 2023. If they did not warrant a Cameo designtion I can see this new half dollar not warranting one either.
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Looks like a liner CAM/DCAM. I'm leaning more CAM due to the reverse bell.
Coin Photographer.
A dip will probably render clear, deep fields and frosted devices which should be a Deep Cameo. I would have bought the set if I was finding it.
Can't wait to see it after you treat it!
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Bell support not deep. Is it the light angle?
Based on the top of the bell, looks like a no-cam, but could be the image.
It might not be as cloudy as it seems. Some of what you see could be from the mint package.
Stained?
4Redisin.
The Full Bell Lines designation on Franklin half dollars is given only to circulation strikes. Proof Franklins do not receive that designation because all of these proof coins have fully struck bell lines.
As for stains, the reverse photos shows possible stains at the bottom of the bell immediately above the clapper and beneath the R in America. On the obverse there is possible staining above the I in In continuing to Ben’s hair. If those are stains they may be milk spots, that will not come off with a bath.
The reverse photos shows lettering and the wooden stock having frost that is weaker than the frost on the bell and the obverse frost.
This half is in an OGP set I bought on EBay. Looking forward to receiving the set.
I have difficult time determining what is on coin and what is on piliform. Good luck and post pics once freed from 60+ year mint holder.
Here are different photos of the half dollar.
The photo of the reverse shows frost on the stock being heavier than what is shown in the photo of the reverse in my opening post.
I received the OGP set today. The half looks, inside the cello with some light haze, that it may warrant a Cameo designation. Will cut it out and give it a bath later today.
I cut out the half from the cello. It looks very nice. Photos attached.
Isn’t there a 1961 DDO or DDR proof? I don’t keep close track of them.
Gave the half a bath. It looks better. I am on the fence about whether the half will receive a Cameo designation since the frost on the stock of the Liberty Bell is weaker than the frost on the bell itself.
I will be sending it in for grading, so stay tuned.
Looking at the half closely with a loupe reveals that it is the Variety Vista DDR-002 variety. There are bridges of metal present between the P and L; and between the I and B in E Pluribus Unum. Also there is strike doubling present on States Of America.
It is an interesting coin.
I'd call it CAM.
Coin Photographer.
These two 1961 halves both graded PF67 in late 2023. If they did not warrant a Cameo designtion I can see this new half dollar not warranting one either.
Good Luck with your submission.
WS
Nice DCAM devices.
Needs deeper mirrored fields for DCAM grade ?
Cut the raw ones out of the usm pkg and put in pvc safe flip