The 2025 Boston RedSox discussion is now underway. Bregman to Red Sox on 3 yr 120 mil deal
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Did the Sox pick up enough to make them a contender this year after promising big spending and not delivering?
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I hope the Sox can make some noise this year but I just can't begin to think they have enough to. be challenging NY for the AL East
What 2025 discussion?
What have the Red Sox done so far to improve their roster? Answer...not much. Picking up 5 pitchers prior to the New Year, and one lonely Sabol to a minor league catcher position, tells me Breslow etal are stuck in stupid...again. Most of the top RH batters are off the market. Now the lunacy continues chasing Bregman, who wants an outrageous contract (thanks to his mouthpiece, Boras) is a fool's errand...deja vu contracts that litter Yawkey Way. Toss in the noise Arenado is trying to make as the Cards are anxious to dump a liability...sounds like a Sandoval (aka El Sapo Gordo) time bomb.
While Breslow and Cora (the cheater), will tout their efforts to appease the Fenway Faithful, the Red Sox will yet again fall way short of being a contender in 2025. If they're lucky, maybe a mid spot in the final AL East standings. Only a miracle Wildcard slot will save them.
Of course I will kinda monitor the team's performance, but I will not get the baseball package to watch each game, other things to do to enjoy my life. For the diehard among us, you are in for a very, very long season with brief moments of hope that will fade quickly. Should I be wrong, please feel free to pile on
I applaud the consistency in referring to Alex Cora as "the cheater" for so long. Bravo.
My thing is...they crucified Pete Rose for "breaking a rule". OTOH another player who BLATANTLY cheated was given a year off, which he undoubtedly enjoyed in Puerto Rico and all of a sudden all is forgiven. Worse yet the myopic brain power of the Red Sox rehire and then extend his contract. I'm not condoning Rose's gambling, but didn't Cora pretty much do the same thing?
When they do a wink wink at one broken rule, they should then give a wink wink to all broken rules...OR, just have no rules and let it all fly.
I wouldn't give Bregman the kind of money he wants or the long term contract either. At this point in time just go with the rookies and see what happens. As Al says "it's only baseball". Take advantage of the other things to do while you can, I did when I could but now its just watch TV!
Your correct Al but Cora cheated to win nobody knows if Rose manipulated the game to lose if necessary or put his best players in a position to get hurt by over use to to try to win or something
It's not "Right" but it is a little different in my opinion
The history of baseball tells me two things.
I think the punishment was a bit light considering the Red Sox were already on thin ice with using technology to steal signs. But it was good for baseball in the end because it forced pitchcom. If you think the Red Sox were the only team using camera feed to steal signs or Apple Watches to relay them to players…. No one? No one else had the most obvious idea?
Well no matter if it's right or wrong Cora is still the manager and baseball is ok with it.
I was not in favor of his new contract but that is what it is too.
Let the games begin in a few weeks with all these new players and we shall see who is good or not so good.
Alex Bregman3 year deal with opt outs after 1st and 2nd year.That is the kind of deal that I like,
Now they dont have to rush the young players before they are ready to go.
He is a local boy, from Albuquerque, who is a strong right hand bat they need.
My apologies to John Henry as he opened his wallet and backed up his management team in big way! Fifty million a year is a lot of money! Now I am really excited for the season to get underway!
Henry needs to spend more!
Bregman is solid, they are talking with Arenendo as well I'm pretty sure
Bregman's deal is 3/yrs, $120m/ 2 opt outs.
Bregman will have to adjust to playing 2nd base, but I think the transition shouldn't be too difficult. He does have the Green Monster waiting for him. Should he play all 81 home games, I would think he'd be in the 25 HR ++ arena. Time will tell, I wish him well. I think the Red Sox got an A++ player.
Odd, I thought that Bregman's uniform # is 2...same as the once upon a time Bogaerts and the same position.
As a courtesy to our rabid Red Sox fan west of the Mississippi, I've attached the 2025 Spring Training and Regular Season schedule for his enjoyment.
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Thanks Al, I am even west of the Rio Grande! I'm glad you approve of Bregman ! I have been saying all winter they should pick him up. I have been watching him play for years and like him immensely. Now they have to figure out what to do with Yoshida and they will have a team worth watching. Maybe even good enough for you to pick up the baseball package which you will not be able to resist as you love baseball.
Steve,
I bust on you from time to time, but I hope you know its mostly in jest. I'm happy for you that watching all the upcoming games will be even more enjoyable for you with a power right handed batter to watch.
As for me...I doubt I'll get the baseball package. To put it into baseball terms, I'm coming around 3rd base and have to face reality. My intention is to travel as much as I can, even if its a ton of road trips. Since either my knee or hip replacement, I've managed to have what's known as a "lazy leg" in my right leg. I'm unable to walk any long distance which puts shore excursions on those cobblestone streets in Europe perhaps a bygone thing for me. I actually did a face plant in the buffet on a ship a couple of years back because my right leg didn't clear the floor. Can't tell you how embarrassing that was!!
Its a bit tough to lift my right leg to climb steps, which all combined, kinda restricts my mobility a bit. If I pace myself and "talk to my right leg", I'm ok. Got cleared by therapy after each surgery, but I think the doc cut something that simply hasn't healed. International travel out of Atlanta makes me cringe...the return walk to customs has to be at least a half-mile, which is a challenge. Customs elsewhere are not too pleasant either...thus my dilemma. If I ever go back to Europe, I'll be using a wheel chair when I get back for the custom trek. Life is what it is.
We are blessed to have more than enough money to go anywhere we want, but aren't too keen on escorted travel. The pack, unpack, pack, unpack, be on the bus at 7:30, etc, etc has kinda put a damper on Scotland and Ireland. We will more than likely do some long cruises and just enjoy chilling on the veranda, playing blackjack and relaxing good food and shows on Celebrity. Actually saw a 21 day cruise from Port Canaveral, FL to Vancouver,interesting. We've seen a good bit of the world, and glad we went when we did. I kinda have my eye on an extensive Canada road trip. Have always wanted to drive the Cabot Trail in Nova Scotia.
We had to put out beloved cat to sleep the day after Christmas so we are more than free now. It was a very hard day to go to the Vet and hand her over. Been more than hard to get over. She had gone into a steep decline in early December, and her 10lbs dwindled to 6 in 2 weeks, she just stopped eating and only drank water. Vet did what he could, but he agreed with our decision. She was a very deep part of our lives.
So, life trucks on, it moves so very, very fast.
Enjoy the season!
Al
Thank you for sharing that Al. I seawall that deterioration starting about `9years ago and my traveling days came to a screeching halt about 2 years ago,
Losing a beloved cat is hard to take and I have been there many times. Just think of your cat waiting for you at Rainbow bridge in a few years.
glad they got Bregman. I heard that there is quite a bit of deferred money so the actual value of the contract will be 3 yrs/90MM. not that i really care, its just John Henrys money.
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Bregman was a good signing. The AVV is only going to be 32 mil a year for cap purposes. They needed to do something and they did with this. They didnt address everything but its a start. Buehler is an unknown but almost certainly a back end starter coming off the TJ surgery, Chrochet was a good trade so the pitching should be better and now they did something to address the lineup.
The biggest thing though is that pretty much everyone else in the division got worse. Tampa signed Kim which is a good signing but hes a guy that helps a contender not make a team a contender and now they have to play their season in the Yankees spring training stadium. Toronto has been a perennial disappointment and brought int Mad Max but hes at the end of his career and has injury issues now.
The Yankees brought in Fried but lost Soto. Judge will regress from last year as well. Goldy and Belli are interesting additions who could be a huge difference with bounce back years or just be below average again especially with Goldy getting old. The Os still have to be the favorites with the young talent but even they replaced Burnes with Morton which is a down grade.
Unless Goldy and or Belli has a big bounce back year theres a strong case that Boston had the best offseason for the AL East now that they got Bregman
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I would put my money on Bregman starting at 3rd this year. Devers will be at D/H where he belongs. THey will choose one of the 2 rookies at 2nd. I have no idea what they do with Yoshida.
You'd lose your bet. They gotta keep Yoshida (yet another bust $18m per/yr contract) at DH for now. Soon Yoshida will be playing for Cleveland. I'd bet Yoshida isn't with the team on Opening Day.
Devers at 3rd and Bregman at 2nd. No other way to figure it.
It would not be the first bet I ever lost but I think I would win this one. I do agree that Yoshida will be playing somewhere else this season and I hope Devers takes his place as he makes too many errors at 3rd base for my liking.I really feel one of the 2 rookies will play good enough to land the 2nd base spot. We shall soon see!
A rather obscure former Red Sox player signs a minor league deal with LA Dodgers. Michael Chavis gets the band back together with Mookie, KiKe Hernandez, and Brazier, not to mention the manager Dave Roberts who magically stole 2nd base to kick off the miracle comeback of 2004. Had the Red Sox management had a brain at the time, they should never have let Mookie see the departure runway at Logan Airport.
Cora (the cheater) now has Bregman who was there during the "event". He now compares Bregman to Pedroia...really?
I hope Chavis gets another shot at the bigs, I always liked his play.
Devers has the contract where hes going to play where he wants to play. Bregman can opt out after this year and very likely will especially if they make him play 2nd base. The smart play would be to have Devers at first and Bregman at 3rd, but ultimately they are handcuffed by Devers and what he wants
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The Red Sox seam to suck at picking 1st basemen as they all seem to be wonder hitters until they come to the plate. We have had 3 in row that were supposed to be great but end up being anything but. Bregman definitely needs to be their 3rd baseman though. I don't care if Devers plays 1st base or DH but his shoulders are still hurting from last year and he sucks as a 3rd baseman!
One thing that is surprising to me is that the league basically treated Bregman like he was at the end of his career when hes only 30. He spent very little time in the minors he was so good but hes still in his prime and an elite defender. Hes not someone that should be having to consider moving positions, and thats not just a Boston thing but other teams were doing it as well
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Devers is speaking live right now. Should be interesting.
Devers says he wont DH for the team even if the Red Sox ask him too.
I say either suspend him without pay or trade his ass!
Who in hell does he think he is Pablo Sandoval?
He's now up to 240 lbs.
100% Agreed
We got a group text going about this and I'm saying suspend him if he refuses to do what he is told
My exact text lol
He has become a big crybaby.
When you can't do the job you are hired for expect to be fired!
Pablo was once a good 3rd baseman but could not push himself away from the table.
Devers was NEVER a good 3rd baseman but he sure knew what to do at the table!
They can bench him if they want, but the CBA doesnt allow for them to suspend him without pay because he doesnt want to change positions. Theyd still have to pay him and use a roster spot on him.
Cora could always just put him in the DH spot and make it on him. If he refused to take his AB than they could potentially suspend him without pay. He might be more open to moving to another position in the field instead of DH like how the Padres got Tatis to move to the outfield and Bogi to play 2nd.
I kind of get not wanting to DH, other than catcher its the hardest position on the field where you sit forever and then get the occasional at bat. Hes already gotten the huge contract though so it really shouldnt matter since hes not going to get another big contract after this one anyways
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He doesn't need another contract as he makes too much now. As you say just put him at DH and if he refuses then suspend him and go from there. Just another bad signing by the Red Sox by a bad GM. They have a new sheriff in town and he has to put his foot down and the owner has to back him on what he wants as you can't let a player tell you what to do or not to do. I know , in my time in management, I would never have allowed it.
I wasn't aware of that
I think these guys need to be reminded on occasion that they are still employees. they are not running the show. cora should fill out the lineup card with Devers at DH and if he refused to play suspend without pay until he decides to play WITH a good attitude.
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I think they would have to petition MLB to get him on the DQ list. Then they could replace him on the active roster and he would effectively be shelved and not paid. I don’t know if there is a case which has ever come to that for refusal to play a position.
A 300+ million contract he really is running the show.
Devers is being obstinate, but I dont think Bregman is going to be there long either. I dont blame Alex but it will be interesting to see what happens
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It sure isn't about the game anymore.
I remember when a player got 100K for the year they thought that was all the money in the world.
Ok so Devers is running the Red Sox. Forget Cora. What Devers needs to do is put Bergman at 3rd base and put himself at DH or 1B. Or he should move Bergman to 2nd and play 3B himself but if that goes sideways he should no longer be allowed to run the show. Let’s see what happens. I don’t know why you guys are depressed about the Red Sox. If they can avoid injuries like they had last year they are in a good position in the AL East. It is certainly looking like Devers is going to be a big baby though so he better have a career year at 3rd.
As far as his contract goes it’s not so much the amount but the amount guaranteed. That’s the new norm in MLB and most of these players are egomaniacs.
On paper though if they stay healthy and put this BS in the rear view that’s a scary team.
One would think the drama at 3rd base was already figured out when the brain-trust decided to actively pursue Bregman. Now comes the egos and money, not esprit de corps, which is critical to a cohesive team. For the money Devers is being paid, he should be willing to conform to the wishes of the manager, who has the best interests of the team as a whole. For Devers to blatantly say "NO" to becoming the DH is pretty lame. This also tells me the Red Sox are shopping Yoshida to open the DH position. Yet another bad contract to add to the trash heap of past contracts, which the Red Sox management seem to excel at.
What the Red Sox need is a Dick Williams style manager, not the wimp who currently holds the job.
Were it me, I'd have Devers wherever I felt he was needed. I had originally felt it was a Devers at 3rd and Bregman at 2nd. Now that the bush league attitude of Devers has surfaced...put Bregman at 3rd and Devers as DH and if he mails it in or plays poorly at the plate, act accordingly.
I have never been a Devers fan as I always felt he could never do the job at 3rd base. He acts like a baby out there. It's going to cost the Red Sox a lot of money to get rid of him but what is few more million dollars, They hire these stupid managers and general managers and pay them big money to make decisions . Watching Cora talk to little baby Devers yesterday was sickening. He should have told him that he was going to be their DH and walk away from him when he pouted. Yoshida doesn't like to DH either but he does it because he was told to.
Unfortunately for Boston Devers is basically untradable unless they want to eat over 200 million. His defense at 3rd has always been suspect and they should have done a better job of making sure he was open to moving to first or dh before giving him that contract. They likely felt pressure after drumping Mookie and seeing Bogi go to SD
Bregman might just go ahead and take one for the team and move to 2nd or SS. He was a SS at LSU and in the minors for Houston and moved to 3rd because he was blocked by Correa. Maybe he wants to get back to middle infield and thinks that will help him after opting out next year, but he is definitely the better 3rd baseman between him and Devers and its not really close
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When you allow players to dictate what they'll do or won't do is when you lose total control of the team.
Biggest mistake was to lose Mookie and Bogaerts and then pony up the big coin to the pouting child at 3rd. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bregman gone next season. Nobody wants to play on a team with one or two who think they're prima donnas. It was Chaim Bloom who promised Devers he'd stay at 3rd base...yet another loser in the Red Sox organization.
Cora is by far and hands down the most milk toast manager on the planet. He tries to be everyone's buddy, when he should be laying down the law as tactfully as possible. The manager is driving the bus, they just ride in the bus. Devers is doing some damage to the team by acting like a child and thinking of only himself. There are 9 players on the team and if they all don't pull together, they will never succeed. Dick Williams would rip Devers a new a$$.
Maybe its time for Big Papi and Pedro to have a "come to Jesus" chat with Devers. Not a good way to start the season.
If Bregman has great year he's gone for more money, if he doesn't Sox are stuck with contract. Great deal for Bregman not seeing the same for the team itself...
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While he certainly intends on opting out or using the opt out threat for more money Im not sure I would call it a great deal for Bregman. The deferred money and the significantly higher tax rates in Boston make the real world value of his contract less than he was making in Houston. If thats not bad enough a significant portion of his away games are now in NYC and Toronto too which have insanely high tax rates as well.
I really dont understand why a lot of the league was treating him like hes 40 on his last contract other than the insanely high amount of owners that have no interest in winning unless they can do it cheaply
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Ah the drama continues...after a few brief searches, we now have...
Triston Casas, the current 1st baseman (the guy who paints his fingernails), chimes in to voice his opinion on the new prospects the team has acquired. In a nutshell, he's saying they should not be on the opening day roster when the team goes to Texas. Cora (the cheater) while referring to the prospects as "kids" (although no harm intended, is still a bit demeaning to me), while referring to Casas' comments implying he wished he'd kept his mouth shut and kept it within the clubhouse.
Big Papi makes a statement about the 3rd base drama. David says Devers should remain at 3rd, "we're not talking about Mickey Mouse here" He did say Bregman's stats may be a bit better, but clearly he's defending the opinion of Devers, who is standing his ground on the issue. Chaim Bloom did promise Devers he'd stay at 3rd base...the Bloomer is now in St Louis and clearly out of the loop.
Not sad to see NESN didn't reup Youkilis as an announcer. Lou Merloni, who I like as an announcer, will now be with Dave O'Brien in the booth. Never gonna be another Remy/Orsillo team, or the wit and humor of Eck, and the very long ago days of my youth with Curt Gowdy.
On the mature side...Bregman says he'll do whatever it takes to help the team. Geez, a grownup in the room.
Thankfully this is February Drama
They have plenty of time to sort this crap. out
Papi is charismatic but not the sharpest guy. Theres no comparison between Bregman and Devers at 3rd other than Bregman is way better.
Casas while young, his numbers really havent been that good for a 1st basemen especially not a left handed hitting one in Boston that also benefits from the AL East for lefties. I get he feels his job may be threatened but actively trying to hurt others careers saying to leave prospects off the roster will not go over well at all and hes not good enough to be doing that. You have Machado who was very vocal about putting Tatis on the Padres roster opening day when he was in the minors and now you have the opposite of a young player that isnt that great saying to keep players down that could potentially make the team better.
Roman should definitely get a shot on the roster. Hes easily one of the 3 best OFers they have in the entire organization and theres nothing left for him to prove in the minors other than service time manipulation not having him on the roster right away. Cambell you can argue could use some more time especially now that hes going to be blocked in one way or another with the Bregman signing.
Either was Casas saying they dont belong on the roster before they even had a chance in spring training just shows what a tool he is and not a guy you really want as a teammate
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I will be watching the games and hope everyone comes together so they have a good season once they get started.It could not be worse than the last 2 years were!
Tristan Casas continues to open his pie hole and voice his opinion of signed Red Sox players and what positions they should or shouldn't play. He must think he's the self-appointed Public Affairs Officer of the Red Sox. He should rethink his commentary to the press, which, at this point is adding more drama to the daily soap opera that is already ongoing. He will soon become persona non grata as he continues to shoot himself in the foot. Better he focus on what shade of finger nail polish he will sport this season. This ego crap has a tendency to bite long term.
Bregman continues to take the high road and is the grownup in the room with his I'll play where Cora tells me.
I wonder what kind of a deal could be made for Casas? The Blue Jays need a first baseman next year. Maybe Guerrero would be available in a package deal for him which includes Casas now that the blue Jays are going to lose him!
If Casas keeps licking the red off of Red Sox management, he's gonna be on the block soon. I think he's suffering from delusions of grandeur, he isn't that good at 1st base. I really do question a guy with red painted finger nails and white painted toe nails, might as well start wearing a kilt to round out the outfit. He's simply seeking attention, but by doing so, he may be torpedoing his career. Shut the pie hole and play the game.
Guerrero would be perfect.