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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,670 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 4, 2025 1:31PM

    No 👎 (it looks repaired to me as well)

  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,245 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The surfaces look all wrong the date (along with the lettering in general) is funky/looks to be a thinner font. I'll say not real, and it's also been holed/plugged.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,398 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gut feeling is probably genuine, obviously plugged, butt ugly jewelry remnant.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,270 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Manorcourtman said:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/156673091824

    Funny, the eBay link ends in copy but being sold as real. Anyone believe it’s real?

    That's because you copied the trackers. The only eBay link you need is the edited version above

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,270 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @airplanenut said:
    The surfaces look all wrong the date (along with the lettering in general) is funky/looks to be a thinner font. I'll say not real, and it's also been holed/plugged.

    I'm not sure. However the surfaces and the thinner letters are due to etching. It's been harshly cleaned, possibly stripped with acid.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,270 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @johnny9434 said:
    No 👎 (it looks repaired to me))

    Repaired isn't the same as fake

  • Alpha2814Alpha2814 Posts: 98 ✭✭✭

    Reported as uncertified over the allowed listing price. We'll see what happens.

  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,084 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Alpha2814 said:
    Reported as uncertified over the allowed listing price. We'll see what happens.

    He listed it as ANACS certified, that’s how he got around the raw high listing price eBay restriction.

  • Alpha2814Alpha2814 Posts: 98 ✭✭✭

    @Manorcourtman said:

    @Alpha2814 said:
    Reported as uncertified over the allowed listing price. We'll see what happens.

    He listed it as ANACS certified, that’s how he got around the raw high listing price eBay restriction.

    The seller notes also explicitly say "uncertified".

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,328 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Genuine or not, does anyone remember when stuff like this could not have gotten close to a $6,000 price tag? I guess I’m old and behind the times, but if I can’t do better than this, I’d rather have a hole in my collection.

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  • Baylor8670Baylor8670 Posts: 137 ✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @johnny9434 said:
    No 👎 (it looks repaired to me))

    Repaired isn't the same as fake

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @johnny9434 said:
    No 👎 (it looks repaired to me))

    Repaired isn't the same as fake

    He may have been saying "no" to the coin in general and not answering OP's "Anyone believe it’s real?" question.

  • Baylor8670Baylor8670 Posts: 137 ✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @airplanenut said:
    The surfaces look all wrong the date (along with the lettering in general) is funky/looks to be a thinner font. I'll say not real, and it's also been holed/plugged.

    I'm not sure. However the surfaces and the thinner letters are due to etching. It's been harshly cleaned, possibly stripped with acid.

    Looks like the acid they used came from the monsters in the Alien movies

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I messaged the seller that the coin appeared to be plugged at 12:00 on the obverse but that wasn't mentioned in the description and to please advise. He replied with a thank you and said he'd updated the description, which he did.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    Genuine or not, does anyone remember when stuff like this could not have gotten close to a $6,000 price tag? I guess I’m old and behind the times, but if I can’t do better than this, I’d rather have a hole in my collection.

    The $6000 is just an ask price, so we don't know that the coin would have gotten close to that amount.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,328 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 4, 2025 2:47PM

    @MFeld said:

    @BillJones said:
    Genuine or not, does anyone remember when stuff like this could not have gotten close to a $6,000 price tag? I guess I’m old and behind the times, but if I can’t do better than this, I’d rather have a hole in my collection.

    The $6000 is just an ask price, so we don't know that the coin would have gotten close to that amount.

    Who cares? At $6,000, we are so far apart that there is no place to negotiate. I just successfully countered a price that was strong, but at least within reason. That thing, if it’s genuine, might be worth half the price, but never to me.

    It reminds me of a 1797 half half dollar with AG sharpness that was holed and polished at $8,500 over 20 years ago. There is no place to start a discussion.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,270 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Baylor8670 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @johnny9434 said:
    No 👎 (it looks repaired to me))

    Repaired isn't the same as fake

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @johnny9434 said:
    No 👎 (it looks repaired to me))

    Repaired isn't the same as fake

    He may have been saying "no" to the coin in general and not answering OP's "Anyone believe it’s real?" question.

    Definitely not.

    [See if you can guess what question in answering. 😁]

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The listing now says cleaned and plugged. The verifier shows the fineness to be .917 which is correct. Looks like a genuine but harshly cleaned and repaired ex-jewelry coin. Any idea what this is worth? Certainly, a lot less than $6000.

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  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the coin is genuine, but it’s been mutilated by all things unholy. I’d be surprised if someone is willing to pay half of that, I could imagine a sale around 2k ish.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,398 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Might make a good ball marker.

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  • CharlotteDudeCharlotteDude Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 4, 2025 4:12PM

    It may be genuine, but looks like it’s been thoroughly fried from some type of acid-treatment, at a minimum. Here’s a real example for reference…



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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,332 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s pretty obviously ex:jewelry and plugged, which means it’s very likely authentic. Who would have the patience to subject a counterfeit to that much abuse? But in this state, I wouldn’t know how to authenticate it beyond doubt.

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