Want to buy 1/10 oz Gold coins for $230.99 or less each?

GRANDAM

Well here is your seller:
This guy has 105 pcs of "GOLD" coins listed on eBay. In his description it does say "Gold colored Sterling Silver" but he is using photos of real gold coins in his listing. It does say they are 1/10 oz gold coins in the eBay title. Among them are a 1/10 oz Prospector by no other than Dan Carr.
"Metal - Yellow Gold Finsh
Base Metal - Sterling Silver
Please report this guy and get him shut down.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_dkr=1&iconV2Request=true&_blrs=recall_filtering&_ssn=joyful-jewels&store_cat=0&store_name=joyfuljewels5&_oac=1&_nkw=gold coin

Heck,,,,, he even has some 1/4 and 1 oz coins for sale,,,,,,,, an even better deal!!!!!!!!

PeakRarities

Oh boy, there’s a myriad of “sellers” just like this that appear to be burner accounts the same operation. I’m curious how @jmlanzaf is going to defend this? 🧐

https://www.ebay.com/itm/205225262465?mkcid

https://www.ebay.com/itm/387854768067?mkcid

https://www.ebay.com/itm/316156178030?mkcid

https://www.ebay.com/itm/365350042572?mkcid

https://www.ebay.com/itm/356427722153?mkcid

jmlanzaf

@PeakRarities said:
Oh boy, there’s a myriad of “sellers” just like this that appear to be burner accounts the same operation. I’m curious how @jmlanzaf is going to defend this? 🧐

https://www.ebay.com/itm/205225262465?mkcid

https://www.ebay.com/itm/387854768067?mkcid

https://www.ebay.com/itm/316156178030?mkcid

https://www.ebay.com/itm/365350042572?mkcid

https://www.ebay.com/itm/356427722153?mkcid

What a very odd thing to say...

jmlanzaf

Don't forget to report the 2000+ of these gold dollars. Pace yourself.

dcarr

@PeakRarities said:
Oh boy, there’s a myriad of “sellers” just like this that appear to be burner accounts the same operation. I’m curious how @jmlanzaf is going to defend this? 🧐

https://www.ebay.com/itm/205225262465?mkcid

https://www.ebay.com/itm/387854768067?mkcid

https://www.ebay.com/itm/316156178030?mkcid

https://www.ebay.com/itm/365350042572?mkcid

https://www.ebay.com/itm/356427722153?mkcid

.

After a quick look around there appears to be at least half a dozen or more different accounts using the same picture, but with various descriptions and prices.

.

MsMorrisine

@jmlanzaf said:
Don't forget to report the 2000+ of these gold dollars. Pace yourself.

what an expectedly odd thing t0 post

the items in the op are unmarked copy coins - replicas are not allowed

dcarr

I was just working on a comprehensive report about these and when I went back to check one of the listings I found that they were all gone.

MsMorrisine

https://www.ebay.com/itm/205188775001

dcarr

Just checked again - they are listed outside the Coins category, so that is why they appeared to be gone when I searched.
So they are still there in jewelry categories. I will file my VeRO report.

PeakRarities

I just bought a 1/4oz gold eagle but selected the eBay “authenticity verification” for $40. Total costs are refunded if the item is deemed counterfeit, so should be some cheap entertainment while I tie up ~$300 for a couple weeks .

PerryHall

@PeakRarities said:
I just bought a 1/4oz gold eagle but selected the eBay “authenticity verification” for $40. Total costs are refunded if the item is deemed counterfeit, so should be some cheap entertainment while I tie up ~$300 for a couple weeks .

Who at eBay does the "authenticity verification" and what are their qualifications? What happens when some unqualified eBay employee erroneously says it's authentic? Will you be out $276.64?

jmlanzaf

@MsMorrisine said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Don't forget to report the 2000+ of these gold dollars. Pace yourself.

what an expectedly odd thing t0 post

the items in the op are unmarked copy coins - replicas are not allowed

Actually, we don't know what they look like a they don't have pictures of the actual items - which is half of the actual problem.

You miss my point, however. There's just too many of these slightly deceptive listings to waste time trying to report them. Arguably, the $1 coins are more deceptive as they do not anywhere indicate the actual composition. The OP listing had a deceptive title "gold" and photo but actually accurately describes (i think) the actual item being sold: gold plated silver.

There are literally thousands of president dollars listed as "gold". And if you don't have a BM, you'd be surprised by how many peoples don't know what these are and how many people think they are gold.

jmlanzaf

@PerryHall said:

@PeakRarities said:
I just bought a 1/4oz gold eagle but selected the eBay “authenticity verification” for $40. Total costs are refunded if the item is deemed counterfeit, so should be some cheap entertainment while I tie up ~$300 for a couple weeks .

Who at eBay does the "authenticity verification" and what are their qualifications? What happens when some unqualified eBay employee erroneously says it's authentic? Will you be out $276.64?

You can return or file a charge back.

GRANDAM

Well I see they have changed their terms. On PeakRarities Post returns are not accepted. In the listing I saw originally returns were accepted.

I guarantee you that you wont get real gold coins as shown in their photos. They are hoping to get people to buy who don’t read the description and then they can say the coins are as described because it says base metal sterling in the description. I will be very interested to see what PeakRarities actually gets for his money. Please post photos when you get it.

Creg

vplite99

Good luck with the 1/4oz gold eagle, but I'm not sure the risk is worth the amusement.

PeakRarities

@GRANDAM said:
Well I see they have changed their terms. On PeakRarities Post returns are not accepted. In the listing I saw originally returns were accepted.

I guarantee you that you wont get real gold coins as shown in their photos. They are hoping to get people to buy who don’t read the description and then they can say the coins are as described because it says base metal sterling in the description. I will be very interested to see what PeakRarities actually gets for his money. Please post photos when you get it.

I bought another one too, this one is even more damning considering the title.

I can get my money back either way, but i actually hope that I become a “victim”. If I get a counterfeit that was “verfified for authenticity” by eBay, that might just be enough for a news story. I’ve worked with a local journalist who targets consumer fraud, and I think he would be interested.

The “authenticity verification” looks like it’s for jewelry, but it states they “check it against the listing”, so I think the picture and the title are crystal clear and I don’t see how someone could refute that. I predict that the sellers end up canceling the orders, which I’m not sure will be a strike on their account. I’ll keep you all posted.

1630Boston

Best of luck, keep us posted

Cougar1978

I don’t buy that stuff raw.

GRANDAM

@PeakRarities said:

@GRANDAM said:
Well I see they have changed their terms. On PeakRarities Post returns are not accepted. In the listing I saw originally returns were accepted.

I guarantee you that you wont get real gold coins as shown in their photos. They are hoping to get people to buy who don’t read the description and then they can say the coins are as described because it says base metal sterling in the description. I will be very interested to see what PeakRarities actually gets for his money. Please post photos when you get it.

I bought another one too, this one is even more damning considering the title.

I can get my money back either way, but i actually hope that I become a “victim”. If I get a counterfeit that was “verfified for authenticity” by eBay, that might just be enough for a news story. I’ve worked with a local journalist who targets consumer fraud, and I think he would be interested.

The “authenticity verification” looks like it’s for jewelry, but it states they “check it against the listing”, so I think the picture and the title are crystal clear and I don’t see how someone could refute that. I predict that the sellers end up canceling the orders, which I’m not sure will be a strike on their account. I’ll keep you all posted.

If you get lucky and get real gold don’t forget to spread the wealth around to them who sent you there,,,,,,,

I saw that "Guaranteed Authenticity" option as well. So the seller has to send the coins to someone at eBay for them to check them. I find that highly unlikely.

PeakRarities

@GRANDAM said:

@PeakRarities said:

@GRANDAM said:
Well I see they have changed their terms. On PeakRarities Post returns are not accepted. In the listing I saw originally returns were accepted.

I guarantee you that you wont get real gold coins as shown in their photos. They are hoping to get people to buy who don’t read the description and then they can say the coins are as described because it says base metal sterling in the description. I will be very interested to see what PeakRarities actually gets for his money. Please post photos when you get it.

I bought another one too, this one is even more damning considering the title.

I can get my money back either way, but i actually hope that I become a “victim”. If I get a counterfeit that was “verfified for authenticity” by eBay, that might just be enough for a news story. I’ve worked with a local journalist who targets consumer fraud, and I think he would be interested.

The “authenticity verification” looks like it’s for jewelry, but it states they “check it against the listing”, so I think the picture and the title are crystal clear and I don’t see how someone could refute that. I predict that the sellers end up canceling the orders, which I’m not sure will be a strike on their account. I’ll keep you all posted.

If you get lucky and get real gold don’t forget to spread the wealth around to them who sent you there,,,,,,,

I saw that "Guaranteed Authenticity" option as well. So the seller has to send the coins to someone at eBay for them to check them. I find that highly unlikely.

Just so I understand correctly, you find it unlikely that they are going to go through with it and ship to Ebay's verification?

jmlanzaf

@PeakRarities said:

@GRANDAM said:

@PeakRarities said:

@GRANDAM said:
Well I see they have changed their terms. On PeakRarities Post returns are not accepted. In the listing I saw originally returns were accepted.

I guarantee you that you wont get real gold coins as shown in their photos. They are hoping to get people to buy who don’t read the description and then they can say the coins are as described because it says base metal sterling in the description. I will be very interested to see what PeakRarities actually gets for his money. Please post photos when you get it.

I bought another one too, this one is even more damning considering the title.

I can get my money back either way, but i actually hope that I become a “victim”. If I get a counterfeit that was “verfified for authenticity” by eBay, that might just be enough for a news story. I’ve worked with a local journalist who targets consumer fraud, and I think he would be interested.

The “authenticity verification” looks like it’s for jewelry, but it states they “check it against the listing”, so I think the picture and the title are crystal clear and I don’t see how someone could refute that. I predict that the sellers end up canceling the orders, which I’m not sure will be a strike on their account. I’ll keep you all posted.

If you get lucky and get real gold don’t forget to spread the wealth around to them who sent you there,,,,,,,

I saw that "Guaranteed Authenticity" option as well. So the seller has to send the coins to someone at eBay for them to check them. I find that highly unlikely.

Just so I understand correctly, you find it unlikely that they are going to go through with it and ship to Ebay's verification?

I'm sure they will. They aren't hiding the fact that they are gold-plated silver. I'm more interested in how the verification team will proceed. Well they verify it's a 1/10 gold coin (it's not) or will they verify that it's gold plated silver per the description (it is).

I feel like this won't be quickly settled.

PeakRarities

@jmlanzaf said:

@PeakRarities said:

@GRANDAM said:

@PeakRarities said:

@GRANDAM said:
Well I see they have changed their terms. On PeakRarities Post returns are not accepted. In the listing I saw originally returns were accepted.

I guarantee you that you wont get real gold coins as shown in their photos. They are hoping to get people to buy who don’t read the description and then they can say the coins are as described because it says base metal sterling in the description. I will be very interested to see what PeakRarities actually gets for his money. Please post photos when you get it.

I bought another one too, this one is even more damning considering the title.

I can get my money back either way, but i actually hope that I become a “victim”. If I get a counterfeit that was “verfified for authenticity” by eBay, that might just be enough for a news story. I’ve worked with a local journalist who targets consumer fraud, and I think he would be interested.

The “authenticity verification” looks like it’s for jewelry, but it states they “check it against the listing”, so I think the picture and the title are crystal clear and I don’t see how someone could refute that. I predict that the sellers end up canceling the orders, which I’m not sure will be a strike on their account. I’ll keep you all posted.

If you get lucky and get real gold don’t forget to spread the wealth around to them who sent you there,,,,,,,

I saw that "Guaranteed Authenticity" option as well. So the seller has to send the coins to someone at eBay for them to check them. I find that highly unlikely.

Just so I understand correctly, you find it unlikely that they are going to go through with it and ship to Ebay's verification?

I'm sure they will. They aren't hiding the fact that they are gold-plated silver. I'm more interested in how the verification team will proceed. Well they verify it's a 1/10 gold coin (it's not) or will they verify that it's gold plated silver per the description (it is).

I feel like this won't be quickly settled.

How would the the title and the photos, showing an authentic 1/4oz gold eagle stamped .999, be disregarded in favor of the description? Moreover, if it did appear as it does in the photos it would be an illegal counterfeit, would it not?

jmlanzaf

@PeakRarities said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@PeakRarities said:

@GRANDAM said:

@PeakRarities said:

@GRANDAM said:
Well I see they have changed their terms. On PeakRarities Post returns are not accepted. In the listing I saw originally returns were accepted.

I guarantee you that you wont get real gold coins as shown in their photos. They are hoping to get people to buy who don’t read the description and then they can say the coins are as described because it says base metal sterling in the description. I will be very interested to see what PeakRarities actually gets for his money. Please post photos when you get it.

I bought another one too, this one is even more damning considering the title.

I can get my money back either way, but i actually hope that I become a “victim”. If I get a counterfeit that was “verfified for authenticity” by eBay, that might just be enough for a news story. I’ve worked with a local journalist who targets consumer fraud, and I think he would be interested.

The “authenticity verification” looks like it’s for jewelry, but it states they “check it against the listing”, so I think the picture and the title are crystal clear and I don’t see how someone could refute that. I predict that the sellers end up canceling the orders, which I’m not sure will be a strike on their account. I’ll keep you all posted.

If you get lucky and get real gold don’t forget to spread the wealth around to them who sent you there,,,,,,,

I saw that "Guaranteed Authenticity" option as well. So the seller has to send the coins to someone at eBay for them to check them. I find that highly unlikely.

Just so I understand correctly, you find it unlikely that they are going to go through with it and ship to Ebay's verification?

I'm sure they will. They aren't hiding the fact that they are gold-plated silver. I'm more interested in how the verification team will proceed. Well they verify it's a 1/10 gold coin (it's not) or will they verify that it's gold plated silver per the description (it is).

I feel like this won't be quickly settled.

How would the the title and the photos, showing an authentic 1/4oz gold eagle stamped .999, be disregarded in favor of the description? Moreover, if it did appear as it does in the photos it would be an illegal counterfeit, would it not?

It may or may not look as it does in the picture.

I'm not saying that the listing doesn't violate the ebay listing rules. It does. But you didn't pay for a review of their listing compliance.

I don't pretend to know what they will rule, but if the item specifics and description say gold-plated, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that they will be looking at that. So I can imagine your having to argue with them about it.

GRANDAM

@PeakRarities said:
I just bought a 1/4oz gold eagle but selected the eBay “authenticity verification” for $40. Total costs are refunded if the item is deemed counterfeit, so should be some cheap entertainment while I tie up ~$300 for a couple weeks .

Well, any update? I just checked and the seller is "No Longer Active" so that doesn't look good.

MsMorrisine

@dcarr said:
Just checked again - they are listed outside the Coins category, so that is why they appeared to be gone when I searched.
So they are still there in jewelry categories. I will file my VeRO report.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=2020+PROSPECTORS+GOLD&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2332490.m570.l1313

PeakRarities

@GRANDAM said:

@PeakRarities said:
I just bought a 1/4oz gold eagle but selected the eBay “authenticity verification” for $40. Total costs are refunded if the item is deemed counterfeit, so should be some cheap entertainment while I tie up ~$300 for a couple weeks .

Well, any update? I just checked and the seller is "No Longer Active" so that doesn't look good.

Nothing ever shipped, looks like I’ll ultimately just get the order refunded. I wanted to wait long enough so that when I contact eBay, it will reflect negatively on the sellers.

MsMorrisine

@PeakRarities said:

@GRANDAM said:

@PeakRarities said:
I just bought a 1/4oz gold eagle but selected the eBay “authenticity verification” for $40. Total costs are refunded if the item is deemed counterfeit, so should be some cheap entertainment while I tie up ~$300 for a couple weeks .

Well, any update? I just checked and the seller is "No Longer Active" so that doesn't look good.

Nothing ever shipped, looks like I’ll ultimately just get the order refunded. I wanted to wait long enough so that when I contact eBay, it will reflect negatively on the sellers.

harsh_diamond is NARU'd

GRANDAM

Sound like these crooks create an account and sell what they can until they get shut down and then keep selling in other accounts until they finally get completely shut down.

They "take the money and run" It will be interesting to see how this shakes out.

PeakRarities

Coincidentally, I actually just got a notification from eBay right after I commented, one order was cancelled and refunded. I just submitted a request for the other, and it refunded me about 5 minutes later. Oh well, that’s pretty much what I was expecting.

GRANDAM

Glad you got your money back,

I wonder if they ever send out plated fakes hoping some buyers won't know any better.

jmlanzaf

@GRANDAM said:
Glad you got your money back,

I wonder if they ever send out plated fakes hoping some buyers won't know any better.

The listing described them as plated copies

MsMorrisine

didn't see "copy" on them

GRANDAM

@jmlanzaf said:

@GRANDAM said:
Glad you got your money back,

I wonder if they ever send out plated fakes hoping some buyers won't know any better.

The listing described them as plated copies

What I meant was did anyone ever get a "coin" from them as I was wondering out much they would look like genuine coins? Are they decent copies or really bad fakes.

jmlanzaf

@MsMorrisine said:
didn't see "copy" on them

The photos aren't of the jewelry pieces they were selling. But they are clearly described as gold plated silver, the title notwithstanding.

jmlanzaf

@GRANDAM said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@GRANDAM said:
Glad you got your money back,

I wonder if they ever send out plated fakes hoping some buyers won't know any better.

The listing described them as plated copies

What I meant was did anyone ever get a "coin" from them as I was wondering out much they would look like genuine coins? Are they decent copies or really bad fakes.

Some of their listings described then as being for jewelry. I'm pretty sure they are "bad fakes" and not really attempting to deceive. [Other than the title of the listing which may be more about click bait than anything else. ]

BillJones

I saw an add on TV which started out with photos of a $50 gold buffalo Proof coin. The barker extolled the desirability of this great prize, made of .999 gold, advising the listener of its great value and rarity.

After the cheese comes the trap. You too can own an example of this valuable item “layered in 24 ct. gold by artists.” I don’t remember the exact selling prices, the official issue price was $69.95, but though this special offer, you could buy one for only $39.95 plus shipping and handling. Naturally orders are limited to only five per household.

Mr Lindy

Surprised to see the layers of gold plated buffalo is worth over a buck now:

dcarr

eBay is so stupid.
Even the VeRO program had been ineffective in this case.
I reported these several times and they did nothing.

There were multiple sellers, most located in "Houston Texas" and one in "New York", and with low feedback, that were selling similar gold coins cheap.

I finally got eBay's attention after a week of trying. The first lines in my email to them read:

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU IDIOTS WAITING FOR ?
I’ve properly reported the violations of my intellectual property rights a week ago and you’ve done nothing.

Finally, eBay took down some of them, including all of the 2020 Prospectors 1/10-troy-oz 999 gold pieces
(those are the ones that I have intellectual property rights for, because I designed and minted them).

But there are still two seller accounts that have numerous fake gold bullion coin listings of all kinds:

gorjana_jewels

sonadiamond

NOBODY would sell a real 1-ounce 999 gold coin for $499.99 when any coin shop or gold dealer would pay $2,700+ !

cheezhed

I’ve reported numerous fake/replica/copy gold eagles that have all been reviewed by a live agent and the listings were deemed to not be in violation of eBay policies. They left them up.