Which Peace Dollar is graded higher? **REVEALED**
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One of these 1924 Peace Dollars is graded higher than the other, and has a CAC sticker. Which one is it?
(vote in the poll below the images)
Coin 1
Coin 2
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Which Peace Dollar is graded higher? **REVEALED**
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2 has better striking details and the picture for #1 appears more fuzzy. However, #1 appears to have less dings. Thus winner #1
I think Coin #1 is the better coin (even if not graded higher). I don't like the spotting on the reverse of Coin #2. To me it looks like left overs from a dip.
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my personal taste is for coin #1: however, the strike on coin 2 is so much sharper I vote for #2 as the CAC candidate notwithstanding a few of the distracting marks.
I voted #1 as well. To comment on pcgscacgold, milk spots don't generally affect the grade as they are concidered eye-appeal. But I'd pass as well for that reason.
I love the strike onl the 2nd one a nice piece to own 🙂
1 for me, #2 has been dipped
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I like the strike & overall detail on coin #2, but #1 has less marks & therefore is the “better” coin.
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Coin one has less marks. Coin two, going by the photos, got the sharper strike.
As a type collector, I would not buy either one of them. There are better impressions of the design out there.
They look to be the same grade to me but I voted for #1 because I fould the small mark on liberty's nose on #2 distracting. James
Peace #2 by a country mile.
The luster and the strike are worthy of a CAC sticker.
The slide marks on the cheek of Peace #1 are too distracting for CAC to ignore.
Peace dollar grading at the 63 and above level is about luster, luster and then luster. The base grade is calculated and then demerits are subtracted. Coin 2s base grade is higher by 2 to 2.5 grades to coin 1s and then the few minor ticks are subtracted which IMHO still leave it superior. While coin 1 has few demerits it doesn’t face up like a 67+ - 68 like the bottom coin does before the ticks are accounted for.
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Despite the fact I voted #1, number two probably has the higher grade.
Just a hunch.
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Just my 1c...I can grade Lincolns pretty good so I'm going to pretend these are copper coins without black spots - just white ones. I hope I'm wrong, but IMO, this is a trick question to embarrass both PCGS and CAC. If not, I better stick to Lincoln's
The coin with the most defects (spots and marks) was graded higher. The images are taken at different times so the lack of "flash" on coin #1 may be just in the image. We also don't know what new marks would show up if the coins were turned in the light. That is one important trick that has saved me many times when buying a very high-grade modern coin.
Furthermore, the white spots on these coins bother me. While they are a natural characteristic on Peace dollars, they lower a coin's the eye appeal. I guess they have become acceptable. I stopped collecting Peace dollars long ogo because of them.
I like coin#1better than #2 but I don't want my lack of experience to affect the poll.
Coin2 based on the luster.
The first has an ethereal look, unique eye appeal.
I’ve got coin 2, as it has a sharper strike, and based on these images, appears to have stronger luster.
It isn't a trick question or meant to "embarrass" anyone, and I do not appreciate the accusation.
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At first look, coin 1 appears to have the cleaner cheek.
But additional lighting angles probably show that it has more marks than coin 2.
So I vote coin 2 is higher.
With Peace dollars at Newport Beach, luster uber alles....
I like #1
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1 looks superior overall so that's my pick.
Luster on both coins is superb but MS 67 grades are tough to get on Peace Dollars. Both have their merits.
I apologize to you and the other members who do not know the difference between an opinion and an accusation. Unfortunately, I've noticed that pointing off-topic things like this out to long-time members gets people banned. Nevertheless, if #2 grades higher...
Apology accepted. It's my opinion that was a ludicrous, unfounded, and offensive thing to say; something which only an uninformed imbecile would even think of. But that's just my opinion not an accusation.
I strongly prefer coin number 2, primarily based on what I can infer about luster from the photos.
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The higher graded coin is Coin #2, in an MS66+ holder w/CAC approval. Coin #1 is in an MS66 holder, no CAC.
I thought this would be an interesting post because they are two attractive high grade gem Peace dollars, but each has different strengths—Coin #2 wins clearly on luster, while Coin #1 appears to be somewhat cleaner re: hits/marks.
The surfaces of Coin #1 have some granularity, common on this issue due to die treatments (acid wash) or other die corrosion, while Coin #2's surfaces are much smoother. There are coins graded 67 that show similar surface granularity.
I don't have either coin in hand so I can't say which one I like "better"—I suspect they're just different and will appeal differently based on a collector's preferences. My gut says I'd like #1 better, as I generally like cleaner cheek/neck on these.
Interestingly, voting at one point was 17-1 in favor of Coin #1 (w/ @JW77 as the sole Coin #2 supporter), but swung back to a 2-1 ratio when a few astute posters went against the consensus. Thanks for the (mostly) thoughtful comments.
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Late but clearly coin two (darker luster) has a much stronger (68 quality) strike.
Maybe it's just coincidence but here is a similar looking pair graded 68 and 69.
Was coin #`1 rejected by CAC or hasn't been there yet (that you know of)?
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To say that one graded higher than the other and has a CAC sticker is misleading. CAC stickered the coin as a 66. They did not sticker the coin in a higher grade than the other.
I’m not sure I understand, is it a matter of wording? Coin #1 does not have a CAC sticker, and doesn’t have a + either. If #1 had had either the + or sticker I could see how it might cause confusion, but it seems that both grading services gave it a better grade (in their own way)…. Of course, this is assuming that #1 was submitted and failed to sticker.
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Coin 2 has more luster and eye appeal, but if the marks on the face shown in the photo are really there, it’s over graded. It gets back to the graders’ tendency to allow strong luster to over come marks. I don’t agree with that, but I am in the minority. It’s a type of market grading.
I don't see it as a type of "market grading" at all, I see it as strong luster equates to a better strike.
That was stated clearly by @JW77 in the 2nd reply to the thread. If you use the right click option on the OP images and have each coin image enlarged it's clear to see how much better struck coin 2 is. Additionally, each coin has some slight contact marks but I don't see one being better/worse than the other.
You cannot assume CAC has seen both coins. CAC stickered coin #2 as a 66. Superlatives (+, *, etc) are not taken into account by CAC. The wording implies the coin was both a higher grade coin and stickered at a higher grade by CAC. It was not stickered by CAC at a higher grade. The green sticker tells us CAC believes it was a solid 66.
From these images submitting coin #1 to CAC would likely yield the same green sticker "a solid 66".
I'm not a dealer but to me, Strong luster over obvious marks equates to non-collectors loving polished coins over coins with original luster. That's the way I was. Iin the beginning, my collection consisted of cleaned and polished copper. It was a beauty to behold! Coins with "Bling" sell faster.
I voted before looking at results. Coin 2 has better luster and slightly better surface preservation. Better strike, as well.
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Here's another 66+ CAC. Looks a lot closer to coin #1 than coin #2.
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How does strong luster equate to a better strike? I’ve seen many weakly struck coins with strong luster, as well as sharply struck coins with subdued luster.
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I follow you now, that's why I added the caveat at the end because my interpretation of the thread was that OP knew that both had been submitted. I was a bit surprised myself because I thought it looked pretty good as a 66 as well. Thanks for clarifying.
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I'm a little late to the party, but I would have guessed #1. Less marks.
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