@asheland said:
Not a coin, but I bought an early spoon about 10 years ago that I later found pictured in a book published originally in 1926:
It was owned back then by Lionel Alfred Crichton (Crichton Brothers) of London:
spoons do not look the same to me, one in book has slight curve and slightly different top
You could be right, but I'm thinking the photo in the book was taken at a very slight angle.
I didn’t mention this, but the book is a 1970s reprint, the original book from 1926 I believe I also have a copy of, my point is, in the 1926 edition, believe it or not, the quality of the photo was a lot more detailed and there are some scratches in the bowl that match on my spoon from the book. it’s a 100% match.
I have a few others without pedigree on label but I have not actually researched the prior history of any of my coins. I will now do so and start updating my notes.
Pedigree equates to an animal's lineage and has nothing to do with numismatics (disparaging comments in previous posts on provenance/pedigree). I was not raised on a farm!
The meaning of "Provenance" and "Pedigree" in numismatics are not the same nor interchangeable).
Add TPG label to list of distinction examples. As an example: A "wealthy collector's name" on a TPG label is a distinction
Seems that this is not documented in numismatic books.
Who was the first to catalog these?
Wow! Provenance chain-of-ownership is UNBROKEN and will continue if sold! Pedigree evidence is unquestionable. POTUS 34's gift card is highly prized.
Where is the flag? The last sentence says it all!
Displayed in current owner's office.
Hmmm ... seems I recently found another (not as cool at the "entombed one").
New type of numismatic collectable with unbroken chain-of-ownership (provenance) and with documentation proving its distinction (pedigree).
The key link in chain-of-ownership is US Mint-to-first owner. When the first owner is a historical figure, it equates to $$$$.
I attended the release ceremony of the 2012 Star-Spangled Banner commemorative coin in person. I purchased four coins (proof gold & silver and uncirculated gold & silver). I convinced NGC (at this point they were hesitant with “release ceremony” labels), seeing how important these “release ceremony” coins were for Fort McHenry, I explained to them that I will ship the coins to them and once they are graded & encapsulated send the coins directly to the Fort McHenry Museum. I provided a point of contact with the Museum.
By the way, another hobby of mine is genealogy. My wife has family that were “redcoats” . This is ironic for her family…
An official write-up of the gold coins:
The medals in this collection are the only two 2012 Star Spangled Banner $5 Gold Coins to be designated as Release Ceremony by NGC. The pedigree makes the proof gold coin and uncirculated gold coin hold a unique standing in modern numismatics. As such, these gold coins should be shared with the public.
These unique gold coins are now a permanent part of the museum collection at Fort McHenry National Monument and National Shrine. The intent of this donation is to share the unique coins with the public and have the members of my family, current and future, remember that their surname is tied to a historical museum collection whenever the Star-Spangled Banner is played.
BACKGROUND STORY ON ESTABLISHING THE PEDIGREE
My first-hand experience with the "Release Ceremony" designation from Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (NGC) was with the 2012 Star Spangled Banner commemorative gold coins. My "Release Ceremony" submittal took great effort.
NGC provides “Early Releases” and “First Releases” term designation on their encapsulation labels. Generally, the coin must be submitted within 30 days after its initial release. For coins from the US Mint, this provides a sufficient time period for one to order and receive a coin from the US mint, then subsequently submit the coin to NGC for grading and encapsulation. This phenomenon has increased the number of “within 30 days” armchair purchases.
NGC also provides additional term designations, specifically the “Release Ceremony” designation. Its submission criteria are more stringent than “within 30 days”. Proper authentication documents are required and must be received by NGC almost immediately after the US Mint release ceremony. As a result, these are not simply armchair purchases. One must locate the release ceremony, travel to the ceremony, attend the ceremony and if the US Mint coin inventory is sufficient, make a purchase. As you can see by the effort required for the “Release Ceremony” designation, it takes an active participatory role.
My first hand experience with "Release Ceremony" designation are with the coins in this set, a proof and uncirculated 2012 Star Spangled Banner commemorative gold coin. I located the ceremony serendipitously from a Maryland tourism email. I made plans to attend the 11 am ceremony on March 5th 2012. The date was coincidently the same as the start of online sales (12 noon) by the US Mint. However, the ceremony time was one hour earlier. I made the assumption that the ceremony sales and online sales would start at the same time (accounting for a one hour in length ceremony).
I attended the ceremony at the visitor center of Fort McHenry National Monument and Historic Shrine. I observed and listened to the enthusiastic speeches about the coins from political and US Mint officials. After the ceremony (11:40 am) I made the gold coin purchases and obtained a dated signature from US Mint Chief Counsel, Paul Shaver, on each coin’s certificate of authenticity and ceremony provided attendance certificate. It should be noted that a US Mint official was calling out the remaining gold coin count to the cashiers and individuals were making single gold coin purchases. Most of the purchasers were non-collectors as US Mint officials had to explain the term proof and uncirculated. Also, no coins dealers with deep pockets were making large purchases.
LIMITED NUMBER OF GOLD COINS BROUGHT TO RELEASE CEREMONY
A day after my purchase, an article in the Baltimore Sun revealed the US Mint had a miniscule gold coin ceremony inventory of 16 coins. From the previous day, the gold coin inventory count being called from the US Mint official (while making my purchase) resulted in me to surmise a breakdown of 10 proofs and 6 uncirculated.
My inquiry with NGC in obtaining a ceremony release designation was initially denied. After a telephone discussion with an NGC official with the intent for the coins, a “Release Ceremony” designation was authorized. From this knowledge, it can be said this set contains the only “Release Ceremony” designated 2012 Star Spangled Banner commemorative gold coins.
COINS GIFTED AND WILL RESIDE PERMANENTLY IN MUSEUM COLLECTION
My intent for these coins has been fulfilled. I gifted these coins to the museum collection of Fort McHenry National Monument and National Shrine. The museum curators are delighted to have these important set of coins.** As one of the curators mentioned, your name (Dr. & Mrs. Darryl A. Gomez) and gift will be in the collection “for all prosperity”. **He is planning to display the coins in the near future and will notify me when it’s available for viewing.
Now when the music of the Star-Spangled Banner plays, the Gomez family and its future generations will remember that there is special numismatic donation made to the Fort McHenry National Monument and National Shrine that is to be shared for all prosperity.
This is a unique "release ceremony" set (no other 2012 Star-Spangled gold coins was allowed to carry the "release ceremony designation").
I attended the release ceremony of the 2012 Star-Spangled Banner commemorative coin in person. I purchased four coins (proof gold & silver and uncirculated gold & silver). I convinced NGC (at this point they were hesitant with “release ceremony” labels), seeing how important these “release ceremony” coins were for Fort McHenry, I explained to them that I will ship the coins to them and once they are graded & encapsulated send the coins directly to the Fort McHenry Museum. I provided a point of contact with the Museum.
A nice piece of contemporary history and impressive effort on your part to support for Fort McHenry Museum.
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
My contribution to the post ... a Garrett pattern with linkage back to 1883
From the John Work Garrett Collection (Stack's, 3/1976,) lot 678; Ex: Charles P. Britton Collection (Edward Cogan, 1/1883), lot 406 : & Bob R. Simpson Collection, Part IV (Heritage, 2/2021), lot 3197; as well as
Salisbury & Woods Collections (Bowers and Merena, 9/1994), lot 1025;
Jascha Heifetz Collection (Superior Galleries, 10/1989), lot 3384;
Bebee Collection (Bowers and Merena, 8/1987), lot 1493;
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
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You could be right, but I'm thinking the photo in the book was taken at a very slight angle.
I didn’t mention this, but the book is a 1970s reprint, the original book from 1926 I believe I also have a copy of, my point is, in the 1926 edition, believe it or not, the quality of the photo was a lot more detailed and there are some scratches in the bowl that match on my spoon from the book. it’s a 100% match.
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Great coin Phil! I loved this design growing up!
It's very welcome in the John Jay Pittman thread here!
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1062046/john-jay-pittman-and-his-extraordinary-coins#latest
I have a few others without pedigree on label but I have not actually researched the prior history of any of my coins. I will now do so and start updating my notes.
Pedigree equates to an animal's lineage and has nothing to do with numismatics (disparaging comments in previous posts on provenance/pedigree). I was not raised on a farm!
The meaning of "Provenance" and "Pedigree" in numismatics are not the same nor interchangeable).
Add TPG label to list of distinction examples. As an example: A "wealthy collector's name" on a TPG label is a distinction
Seems that this is not documented in numismatic books.
Who was the first to catalog these?
Wow! Provenance chain-of-ownership is UNBROKEN and will continue if sold! Pedigree evidence is unquestionable. POTUS 34's gift card is highly prized.
Where is the flag? The last sentence says it all!
Displayed in current owner's office.
Hmmm ... seems I recently found another (not as cool at the "entombed one").
New type of numismatic collectable with unbroken chain-of-ownership (provenance) and with documentation proving its distinction (pedigree).
The key link in chain-of-ownership is US Mint-to-first owner. When the first owner is a historical figure, it equates to $$$$.
This provenance comes with music.
I attended the release ceremony of the 2012 Star-Spangled Banner commemorative coin in person. I purchased four coins (proof gold & silver and uncirculated gold & silver). I convinced NGC (at this point they were hesitant with “release ceremony” labels), seeing how important these “release ceremony” coins were for Fort McHenry, I explained to them that I will ship the coins to them and once they are graded & encapsulated send the coins directly to the Fort McHenry Museum. I provided a point of contact with the Museum.
By the way, another hobby of mine is genealogy. My wife has family that were “redcoats” . This is ironic for her family…
An official write-up of the gold coins:
The medals in this collection are the only two 2012 Star Spangled Banner $5 Gold Coins to be designated as Release Ceremony by NGC. The pedigree makes the proof gold coin and uncirculated gold coin hold a unique standing in modern numismatics. As such, these gold coins should be shared with the public.
These unique gold coins are now a permanent part of the museum collection at Fort McHenry National Monument and National Shrine. The intent of this donation is to share the unique coins with the public and have the members of my family, current and future, remember that their surname is tied to a historical museum collection whenever the Star-Spangled Banner is played.
BACKGROUND STORY ON ESTABLISHING THE PEDIGREE
My first-hand experience with the "Release Ceremony" designation from Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (NGC) was with the 2012 Star Spangled Banner commemorative gold coins. My "Release Ceremony" submittal took great effort.
NGC provides “Early Releases” and “First Releases” term designation on their encapsulation labels. Generally, the coin must be submitted within 30 days after its initial release. For coins from the US Mint, this provides a sufficient time period for one to order and receive a coin from the US mint, then subsequently submit the coin to NGC for grading and encapsulation. This phenomenon has increased the number of “within 30 days” armchair purchases.
NGC also provides additional term designations, specifically the “Release Ceremony” designation. Its submission criteria are more stringent than “within 30 days”. Proper authentication documents are required and must be received by NGC almost immediately after the US Mint release ceremony. As a result, these are not simply armchair purchases. One must locate the release ceremony, travel to the ceremony, attend the ceremony and if the US Mint coin inventory is sufficient, make a purchase. As you can see by the effort required for the “Release Ceremony” designation, it takes an active participatory role.
My first hand experience with "Release Ceremony" designation are with the coins in this set, a proof and uncirculated 2012 Star Spangled Banner commemorative gold coin. I located the ceremony serendipitously from a Maryland tourism email. I made plans to attend the 11 am ceremony on March 5th 2012. The date was coincidently the same as the start of online sales (12 noon) by the US Mint. However, the ceremony time was one hour earlier. I made the assumption that the ceremony sales and online sales would start at the same time (accounting for a one hour in length ceremony).
I attended the ceremony at the visitor center of Fort McHenry National Monument and Historic Shrine. I observed and listened to the enthusiastic speeches about the coins from political and US Mint officials. After the ceremony (11:40 am) I made the gold coin purchases and obtained a dated signature from US Mint Chief Counsel, Paul Shaver, on each coin’s certificate of authenticity and ceremony provided attendance certificate. It should be noted that a US Mint official was calling out the remaining gold coin count to the cashiers and individuals were making single gold coin purchases. Most of the purchasers were non-collectors as US Mint officials had to explain the term proof and uncirculated. Also, no coins dealers with deep pockets were making large purchases.
LIMITED NUMBER OF GOLD COINS BROUGHT TO RELEASE CEREMONY
A day after my purchase, an article in the Baltimore Sun revealed the US Mint had a miniscule gold coin ceremony inventory of 16 coins. From the previous day, the gold coin inventory count being called from the US Mint official (while making my purchase) resulted in me to surmise a breakdown of 10 proofs and 6 uncirculated.
My inquiry with NGC in obtaining a ceremony release designation was initially denied. After a telephone discussion with an NGC official with the intent for the coins, a “Release Ceremony” designation was authorized. From this knowledge, it can be said this set contains the only “Release Ceremony” designated 2012 Star Spangled Banner commemorative gold coins.
COINS GIFTED AND WILL RESIDE PERMANENTLY IN MUSEUM COLLECTION
My intent for these coins has been fulfilled. I gifted these coins to the museum collection of Fort McHenry National Monument and National Shrine. The museum curators are delighted to have these important set of coins.** As one of the curators mentioned, your name (Dr. & Mrs. Darryl A. Gomez) and gift will be in the collection “for all prosperity”. **He is planning to display the coins in the near future and will notify me when it’s available for viewing.
Now when the music of the Star-Spangled Banner plays, the Gomez family and its future generations will remember that there is special numismatic donation made to the Fort McHenry National Monument and National Shrine that is to be shared for all prosperity.
This is a unique "release ceremony" set (no other 2012 Star-Spangled gold coins was allowed to carry the "release ceremony designation").
1 of 10
1 of 6
A nice piece of contemporary history and impressive effort on your part to support for Fort McHenry Museum.
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
My contribution to the post ... a Garrett pattern with linkage back to 1883
From the John Work Garrett Collection (Stack's, 3/1976,) lot 678; Ex: Charles P. Britton Collection (Edward Cogan, 1/1883), lot 406 : & Bob R. Simpson Collection, Part IV (Heritage, 2/2021), lot 3197; as well as
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
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