1875-S Trade Dollar - Counterfeit or authentic?

Windycity

Here are images of an 1875-S Trade Dollar that is either counterfeit or an acid treated original coin. Weight is very close at 26.9 grams. - What say you???

hummingbird_coins

Looks authentic to me.

lermish

It would probably get unverifiable if you were to send it in but looks authentic to me.

slider23

The example appears genuine as it matches the following:

Coxe– I70/I71: Right Date / Missing Serif L

Obv – The date is set to the right.

Rev – Large, shallow S, Missing lower left serif of second L/DOLLAR.

Married2Coins

You sur know a lot about Trade dollars!

What is Coxe? The # the person is writing the long awaited T$ reference book?

BillJones

@slider23 said:
The example appears genuine as it matches the following:

Coxe– I70/I71: Right Date / Missing Serif L

Obv – The date is set to the right.

Rev – Large, shallow S, Missing lower left serif of second L/DOLLAR.

You know more than I do about Trade Dollars, but you do realize that if you use a genuine coin to make a copy, the copy will have the same diagnostics as the genuine coin.

I don’t like this piece at all. I don’t care for the rough patches in the surfaces. Maybe this is a cleaned, ground salvage coin, but it would not be something I would buy.

hummingbird_coins

@BillJones said:
Maybe this is a cleaned, ground salvage coin

If so, it would have to be from really saline soil, almost like one of those shipwreck effect coins. That kind of corrosion doesn't happen under normal circumstances.

slider23

@Married2Coins said:
You sur know a lot about Trade dollars!

What is Coxe? The # the person is writing the long awaited T$ reference book?

Yes, John B Coxe is the person writing the reference book.

slider23

@BillJones said:

@slider23 said:
The example appears genuine as it matches the following:

Coxe– I70/I71: Right Date / Missing Serif L

Obv – The date is set to the right.

Rev – Large, shallow S, Missing lower left serif of second L/DOLLAR.

You know more than I do about Trade Dollars, but you do realize that if you use a genuine coin to make a copy, the copy will have the same diagnostics as the genuine coin.

I don’t like this piece at all. I don’t care for the rough patches in the surfaces. Maybe this is a cleaned, ground salvage coin, but it would not be something I would buy.

Bill, you are correct about copies taking on the diagnostics of a genuine coin. I used the word appears genuine. I do not like the denticles on the example, but is could be the damage on the coin. Most counterfeiters on Trade Dollars make mistakes with the denticles, die pairs, date position, mint mark position and type 1 or 2 features. The date position and mint mark position are correct on the example, so I lean toward this common date being genuine. Would I buy this coin - NO,

Married2Coins

@slider23 said:

@Married2Coins said:
You sur know a lot about Trade dollars!

What is Coxe? The # the person is writing the long awaited T$ reference book?

Yes, John B Coxe is the person writing the reference book.

Well, apparently it is well along and you must have access to what is in it. Is what you posted open to us $T collectors?

golden

Genuine or not I would not want it at any price above melt.

kaz

1) Is the edge reeding good enough shape somewhere to get a clear image?
2) Yes, forgers use a genuine coin to make transfer dies so spotting genuine die markers is not as helpful as we would like.
3) the crooks often abuse one of their products to hide surface imperfections.
The images provided are good quality but I can't make a definite call on this one.

Heubschgold

Mine is from 1978 (S) and a quick picture comparison of details looks the same. Despite the field pocks and scrapes, your details are not bad. But your coin most likely was washed/cleaned.
Mine retains the original patina but some words and image details have worn high spots. No scrapes or pocks.