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2024 Awards published

Just got an email about the new issue of PCGS Market Report (their bi-monthly magazine) with the ability to preview it online - the Awards are published in it. It's still anybody's guess as to when we'll see icons on the registry pages, but it's a start, finally.

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  • Does anyone know how they chose which of the best sets are worthy of a gold award? Is there a criteria published somewhere? Thanks in advance.

    Currently looking for Proof Half Sovereigns…….

  • goldengolden Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I had a set that was gold award two years in a row. The next year it was not although it had been upgraded. Go figure!

  • RonaldDayRonaldDay Posts: 109 ✭✭✭

    Not impressed. They managed to put together a list for publication, but can't manage to upgrade the sets online. I've got a submission sitting on my desk that aint goin' nowhere till I see the registry updated to reflect the 2024 best in class flags.

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,785 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just noticed that PSA has added the 2024 award icons to the set registries.
    How much more time before we see them added to the PCGS registries? Lol
    Wayne

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • oldsmagnetoldsmagnet Posts: 130 ✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2024 1:28AM

    Does anyone know how they chose which of the best sets are worthy of a gold award?

    For 2020, they gave Stevie Wonder a handful of darts and left the room as quickly as possible...
    For the rest of the years.... "No".
    I've got one set that's been earning Golds every year I've had it up (minus 2020) -- For 2020 I added and upgraded it a LOT. 2021 had me a bit jaded, didn't do ANYTHING to the set beyond adding the new 2021 release. That year got a Gold. Go figure. I was the first one to land 100% completion on the big-daddy Ike dollar set, earning me a bright blue attaboy in 2020 (and pushing Hansen to find a better one for 2021 LOL) . And somehow, my Ike Silver set has been getting Golds, despite having over 130 sets with 100% completion, and 0.15 points separating all of us in the top five. There's absolutely nothing about that set that strikes me as "Gold" worthy. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'll take it, I just can not explain it. (That same set shows Hansen with a Gold for 2023, and Spivack with a blue for 2023. Again, I have no explanation for how that works [shrug]

    As for when we'll see new icons, all I can say is don't hold your breath - A couple of my sets finally saw their 2022 blue icons added here two or three months ago. And... for withholding submissions until they're posted --- while, I'll admit doing similar, it's worth noting that while PCGS and the Set Registry are tied together under the same umbrella, I don't think there's any real communication between the two entities -- I suspect their left hand and right hand have absolutely no idea what each other is doing, so burning one to spite the other will likely go completely unnoticed. (That being said, I'm still holding back my current submission, too... Just hard to get excited for an entity that cares less about it's services than its customers do [sigh]

  • RonaldDayRonaldDay Posts: 109 ✭✭✭

    As for when we'll see new icons, all I can say is don't hold your breath - A couple of my sets finally saw their 2022 blue icons added here two or three months ago. And... for withholding submissions until they're posted --- while, I'll admit doing similar, it's worth noting that while PCGS and the Set Registry are tied together under the same umbrella, I don't think there's any real communication between the two entities -- I suspect their left hand and right hand have absolutely no idea what each other is doing, so burning one to spite the other will likely go completely unnoticed. (That being said, I'm still holding back my current submission, too... Just hard to get excited for an entity that cares less about it's services than its customers do [sigh]

    Just call us Don Quixote while our coins sit in a box waiting for the flags. I suppose we could write them so they know what we are doing (communication backed with action can be more powerful than action alone).

    It seems like such a trivial thing ( and it is), but what is the point of putting a collection on their website in pursuit of sharing our passion and getting a little recognition for the sets we've compiled if they don't keep up their end of the bargain?

  • RonaldDayRonaldDay Posts: 109 ✭✭✭

    I just sent off the following Email to the Registry:

    Just thought I'd let you know, that a few of us have decided to hold our submissions until we see the 2024 "Best of Registry" flags appear in the registry.

    While it seems like a trivial thing, the recognition is one of the reasons we compete in the registry and It has been months since the submission deadline past.

    Thanks,

    Name
    address
    Phone number.

  • I’m also holding a submission. I’ve also told them that I won’t be paying subs again if they continue to ignore my emails and refuse to acknowledge (at least) valid questions. They’re super busy, but they are also not being asked to do anything crazy or unexpected. Is it so hard to be transparent about the awards and put the flags up in good time?

    Anyone remember the song and dance about getting to the show early to get the breakfast tickets for the awards announcements? Turned out it was just a get together for three hall of famers. What. A. Waste. Of. Time.

    As for the gold awards, thanks for the overview @oldsmagnet . That is really interesting to read. For me I have a few sets that I believe it would be nice to receive that level of recognition. Especially given the amount of time and effort into finding suitable half sovereigns. To see a 2018 cupro nickel set get a gold award in the world coins section when my George V half sovereign set full of joint and single finest is more or less ignored is quite hard to understand.

    I keep on collecting but my grading is on hold for the time being.

    Currently looking for Proof Half Sovereigns…….

  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 11, 2024 7:04AM

    Regarding the determination of "Gold" status sets - it states on the web site:

    Gold Level: Set Registry gold is awarded to the best sets in the following categories. Note that the awards are determined by the PCGS Awards Committee.

    Now I am sure the criteria is subjective and will not be posted for all to see. While I too am proud of my accomplishments, I have yet to get a gold particularly on my proof variety sets as I am sure the weight is given to CAM and DCAM proofs and not on the Variety coins that despite being pop 1 examples - are not CAM and DCAM. Thus your particular series may have that same sort of subjective issues that keep you from being designated Gold regardless of completion, rarity, etc.

    WS

    Proud recipient of the coveted PCGS Forum "You Suck" Award Thursday July 19, 2007 11:33 PM and December 30th, 2011 at 8:50 PM.
  • My conclusion on Gold - rather than solely based on numismatic merit it is more like endorsement from pcgs. Still it can be given to the obviously outstanding set, but also very often simply to a good enough set based on available quota for Gold (various regions, periods, monarchs etc), and at least in part, motivated to encourage collecting/submitting certain types of coins. There are many examples of simple sets having gold and serious sets of higher numismatic value, which don't, both US and World. I think we'd be able to put forward many definitive models for Gold, which likely would disproportionately affect most common collectors and reduce submissions. So, top of the registry is well defined merit-based and practically the most important award. I would suggest to give say a Silver Award after 5 years on top in row. Currently you'll get just a number 10 as jubilee reminder.

  • RonaldDayRonaldDay Posts: 109 ✭✭✭

    @islunder99 said:
    My conclusion on Gold - rather than solely based on numismatic merit it is more like endorsement from pcgs. Still it can be given to the obviously outstanding set, but also very often simply to a good enough set based on available quota for Gold (various regions, periods, monarchs etc), and at least in part, motivated to encourage collecting/submitting certain types of coins. There are many examples of simple sets having gold and serious sets of higher numismatic value, which don't, both US and World. I think we'd be able to put forward many definitive models for Gold, which likely would disproportionately affect most common collectors and reduce submissions. So, top of the registry is well defined merit-based and practically the most important award. I would suggest to give say a Silver Award after 5 years on top in row. Currently you'll get just a number 10 as jubilee reminder.

    I am 99.9% certain you are correct. Gold designation is a business decision to drive coin grading. Since that is the point of the entire registry, it can't come as too big of a surprise.

  • RonaldDayRonaldDay Posts: 109 ✭✭✭

    I just received a reply to my email ( see previous post) and was told that it has been in the hands of their programming department for over a month and that the flags will be posted " as soon as they can.

    For those of us who have run boards and done programming, it is pretty surprising that something like this is an issue, but apparently, their system is not set up to easily sort out the set winners and with thousands of sets ...

  • bosoxbosox Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2024 1:52PM

    Their response time has been running about two weeks, judging by two emails of mine they recently answered. I am guessing that they are slammed.

    I enjoy the registry and am willing to give them some slack. Are things running promptly and smoothly at the moment - no. I have been in the registry for nearly two decades. I am hoping they see the benefits to customer loyalty and their bottom line and fix the issues.

    Numismatic author & owner of the Uncommon Cents collections. 2011 Fred Bowman award winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson award winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca award winner.

    http://www.victoriancent.com
  • oldsmagnetoldsmagnet Posts: 130 ✭✭✭

    I'd cut them a lot more slack if they'd grant us even a shimmer of transparency. PCGS has no trouble flooding social media to tell the world how great they are, and what fancy rare coin they graded last week, etc etc etc... Meanwhile every year that passes, we as Set Registry members get treated more and more like annoying measly peasants who are just in their way. I think we'd all be willing to openly give them a LOT more slack if they'd just come out and say "Hey, this thing's kicking our @$$ right now, sorry, we'll get it posted as soon as we can" rather than taking the approach of "screw 'em, they'll get it when we're damn good and ready"

  • They don’t care. They don’t listen. The only way to manage this is with clear action. Cancel the direct debit and stop paying the yearly subs. They are running a service but their service standards are not good enough.
    And I agree about the social media etc. posts. What an absolute mess. It’s almost like they don’t believe there are actually any problems or complaints.

    Currently looking for Proof Half Sovereigns…….

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,785 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WAYNEAS said:
    Just noticed that PSA has added the 2024 award icons to the set registries.
    How much more time before we see them added to the PCGS registries? Lol
    Wayne

    I posted the above on 11/08/24.
    It is now 11/22/24.
    If the PSA side has its "award program software" working that it lists the award icons / symbols to the appropriate registry sets, why not use it to fix the PCGS side?
    You software guys can help explain why this is or is not a applicable solution.
    Wayne

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • bosoxbosox Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It would be interesting to know how much of their grading revenue comes from Collector's Club members verses dealers and auction houses, like Heritage and Great Collections. Possibly we overestimate the club revenue impact to their bottom line, and they are merely lowering the registry resource levels proportionately to the revenues generated from that segment of their business. Dunno, but I am far from ready to take a hike on the registry.

    Numismatic author & owner of the Uncommon Cents collections. 2011 Fred Bowman award winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson award winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca award winner.

    http://www.victoriancent.com
  • @bosox said:
    It would be interesting to know how much of their grading revenue comes from Collector's Club members verses dealers and auction houses, like Heritage and Great Collections. Possibly we overestimate the club revenue impact to their bottom line, and they are merely lowering the registry resource levels proportionately to the revenues generated from that segment of their business. Dunno, but I am far from ready to take a hike on the registry.

    Good points. I agree that the general registry subs are probably quite lower than the auction houses etc. however the registry is free to access and it’s only if you want to grade that you have to pay. My collection is in a position now where I am looking for upgrades rather than completing and for the collection I have this is generally only really going to be possible by buying the already graded higher coins. For the modern sets I am happy to just add the new years as they come out and are already graded. If the PCGS team can’t reply to emails in good time or do something simple like add banners and recognise collections then what’s the point in paying?

    Currently looking for Proof Half Sovereigns…….

  • RonaldDayRonaldDay Posts: 109 ✭✭✭

    I dunno, I've got over 20 coins sitting on my desk that aren't goin anywhere till this is resolved. I prefer the grade and weight system to the point system of other places. The points awarded just seem too random and don't require set completion to be #1.

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,785 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oldsmagnet said:
    Just got an email about the new issue of PCGS Market Report (their bi-monthly magazine) with the ability to preview it online - the Awards are published in it. It's still anybody's guess as to when we'll see icons on the registry pages, but it's a start, finally.

    Did you notice that the awards listed are only for the platinum and gold sets?
    There is zero mention of other set awards especially the BOR SETS!
    Wayne

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • oldsmagnetoldsmagnet Posts: 130 ✭✭✭

    There is zero mention of other set awards especially the BOR SETS!

    I'm pretty sure the BOR recognitions have not been in the printed magazine for, at least as long as I've been a member - I can't speak to years past, but I think Platinum, Gold, and Hall of Fame entries are the only ones they'd typically publish there.

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,785 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They used to list all award winners on the Pcgs home site under the awards page.
    This list included the BOR winners.
    You would just have to click on the provided link.
    It was either 2 or 3 years ago when they stopped doing so.
    Wayne

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • winestevenwinesteven Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WAYNEAS said:

    @oldsmagnet said:
    Just got an email about the new issue of PCGS Market Report (their bi-monthly magazine) with the ability to preview it online - the Awards are published in it. It's still anybody's guess as to when we'll see icons on the registry pages, but it's a start, finally.

    Did you notice that the awards listed are only for the platinum and gold sets?
    There is zero mention of other set awards especially the BOR SETS!
    Wayne

    Hey, they did mention my award for “Digital Album of the Year”, lol.

    Steve

    A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!

    My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,785 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @winesteven said:

    @WAYNEAS said:

    @oldsmagnet said:
    Just got an email about the new issue of PCGS Market Report (their bi-monthly magazine) with the ability to preview it online - the Awards are published in it. It's still anybody's guess as to when we'll see icons on the registry pages, but it's a start, finally.

    Did you notice that the awards listed are only for the platinum and gold sets?
    There is zero mention of other set awards especially the BOR SETS!
    Wayne

    Hey, they did mention my award for “Digital Album of the Year”, lol.

    Steve

    And I voted for your set.
    Wayne

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Banners are just too hard for the remaining folks still involved with IT.

    Maybe they need to go back to public company if this is the best that can be done now or just phase this registry award stuff out completely.

  • oldsmagnetoldsmagnet Posts: 130 ✭✭✭

    Yeah, six months certainly counts as "dropping the ball" by anybody's definition. Now I see the "Report a cert that should match this composite" function has been dead for ...4? days now? "Oops, errors happen" -- (A LOT!) -- I won't go so far as to say that nobody in the registry staff cares, because I've chatted with individuals who do seem genuine -- however, it sure seems that there's a drastic disconnect between those that care, and those who have the ability to do anything about it. They're destroying a brand. :neutral:

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just like you, I have tried over and over sending them notes saying the "report a cert that should match" does not work and no effort made by them at all. Seriously they do not care at all about their customers anymore.

  • CopperindianCopperindian Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Goldminers said:
    Banners are just too hard for the remaining folks still involved with IT.

    Maybe they need to go back to public company if this is the best that can be done now or just phase this registry award stuff out completely.

    Agree. Banners are a minimum & shouldn’t be all that tough to post. If they’re not going to bother, I won’t either. I’ll just retire everything & move on. I have an alternate for inventory tracking regardless.

    “The thrill of the hunt never gets old”

    PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
    Copperindian

    Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
    Copperindian

  • LegacyLegacy Posts: 85 ✭✭✭

    The 2024 banners have been posted!

  • oldsmagnetoldsmagnet Posts: 130 ✭✭✭

    The 2024 banners have been posted!

    I may need medical attention.... I guess someone up there decided they better not let it get past 6 months... :neutral:

    I'd gotten excited to learn that NGC's Registry accepts PCGS coins (and according to their propaganda pages, they give out like $30,000 worth of prizes for it. So I signed up -- only to find out it only accepts US coins from PCGS - 90% of my stuff is Australian, so that won't do me any good over there anyway. But it still shows in bold font just how much PCGS is dropping the ball over here. What once was the Gold Standard is now just trying to hang on to sub-standard.

  • goldengolden Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Finally! We got an early Christmas present. I received 5 banners.

  • D808LFD808LF Posts: 491 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I thought I was gonna get a banner because a set was retired, apparently it can still get a 2024 banner(?) I didn't know that.

    fka renman95, Sep 2005, 7,000 posts

  • Interestingly enough I received 5 golds in paper, but just one banner. No way I'm the only one like that ))

  • I got my first blue banner.

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  • CrackoutCrackout Posts: 1,369 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RiveraFamilyCollect said:
    I got my first blue banner.

    Me too! Mine due to Hansen removing some coins which allowed me to jump ahead of him. But hey, I'll take it!

  • oldsmagnetoldsmagnet Posts: 130 ✭✭✭

    Interestingly enough I received 5 golds in paper, but just one banner. No way I'm the only one like that ))

    Yeah, I'm missing one too. I'm sure they'll get it fixed by the time the 2030 awards are announced (why doesn't this site allow the roll-eyes emoticon?)

    Fortunately enough, I guess, my missing one is a set I don't have much love for, certainly don't see any reason it should have a gold. A ten coin set with 134 users at 100%, and less than half a point separating all of the top ten. There's absolutely nothing about my set that stands out leaps and bounds over the other sets in the top five. I mean, I'll take it, of course, but I certainly don't carry much pride in doing so...

  • ColorfulcoinsColorfulcoins Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭

    I have been waiting for over a year for this day...my Lowball Seated Liberty Half set received Gold Awards in 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, and now 2024 - 5 consecutive years......so next year I qualify to receive a Platinum Award. This is the one time a year I care about those little icons!

    Craig
    If I had it my way, stupidity would be painful!
  • CopperindianCopperindian Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭✭✭

    4 banners this time around; 2 last time. I “only” have 12 sets & see myself @ 4 again this coming year.

    “The thrill of the hunt never gets old”

    PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
    Copperindian

    Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
    Copperindian

  • oldsmagnetoldsmagnet Posts: 130 ✭✭✭

    @Colorfulcoins said:
    so next year I qualify to receive a Platinum Award. This is the one time a year I care about those little icons!

    Congrats! I'm still a bit salty over 2020... Added a bunch of new coins to the set that year. 2021, I added the new year and nothing else. Go figure. Fingers crossed for another year

  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was awarded 2 gold awards, one for my Charles III set and one for my Charles IV set. I received the mailed gold award certificates. My sets were listed in the Nov-Dec PCGS Market Report. Yet instead of gold banners I only got blue "best of" banners. My experiences over the past two years has definitely had an impact on my thinking going forward.

  • These are serious sets and gold banner would be absolutely appropriate.
    PS I detected one instance where instead of 10th anniversary banner a particular set received one blue 2024 and another gold 2024, while absolutely zero reason the set in question can get gold. Seems the IT team which was struggling for two months to add banners, run loose once got some skills ))

  • atomatom Posts: 438 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 23, 2024 4:55PM

    Add me to the list. Received 6 paper gold certificates, only 3 banners displayed.
    I think PCGS calls that mechanical error.

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