CAC Submission - Guess the beans - Results AND COMMENTS in
pursuitofliberty
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UPDATE Coins received at CAC 11/4. Should know in the next 5 to 10 days. Also, I am keeping a running vote count for fun and will share when we close the guessing game. Currently Coin #6 (the 19-107a P53 CBH) has the most "probably getting a sticker" counts.
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As per the request of @Avocet , I am posting some of the coins I sent to CAC this week. I am only posting ones I have reasonably good images of (some images are better than others, but all are pretty close).
My hope is not only will you attempt to call the "pass/fail" of the sticker, but also provide any commentary as to why. I know these are only images, and JA will have the the ability to view in-hand. I did ask that JA share HIS thoughts, so hopefully I can share (and compare) any commentary I receive back.
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I suspect we'll know by about the 12th/23th ... and I may decide to send the member who gets the most right and offers the best commentary a Christmas present.
So ... take your time if you want. 
I'll provide fair warning that no more guesses are allowed as soon as I see the results post.
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Coin #1 1917-D 10c PCGS MS63
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Coin #2 1905-S 25c PCGS MS63
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Coin #3 1917-S ty2 25c PCGS AU58
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Coin #4 1919-S ty2 25c PCGS AU55
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Coin #5 1806 O-106 50c PCGS AU50
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Coin #6 1819 O-107a 50c PCGS AU53
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Coin #7 1824/1 O-101a 50c PCGS AU58
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Coin #8 1826 O-110 50c PCGS AU53
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Coin #9 1827 O-132 50c PCGS AU58
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Coin #10 1833 O-114 50c PCGS AU58
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“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
Todd - BHNC #242
Comments
I guess all will green CAC except for 1905 s 25c (looks cleaned, retoned) 1826 50c (same) and 1833 50c (too much wear for 58)
Young Numismatist • My Toned Coins
Life is roadblocks. Don't let nothing stop you, 'cause we ain't stopping. - DJ Khaled
Green stickers for coins 6, 7, 8
No to all the others. I don’t like the toning (questionable areas) on a couple, and weak strikes, and cleaned (wiped) areas on a couple others.
I like the 05-S quarter OK and saw no red flags there, at least based on the image provided, but agree on the other two and would add the 19-S Standing Lib as a no-beaner if that is a small scrape above AMERICA.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
My wager - All green CAC Sticker except for coins number 1 and 9 (suspect PVC).
I would guess 5, 6 and 9 made it. I like the look of 1 but that toning might be borderline.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
Yes on (1,5,6,9)
No on (2,3,4,7,8,10) for cleaning and over graded
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Very nice, eye appealing coins that are tough in the grade levels shown.
I don’t have a guess on which would sticker, but I like all of them!
Which ones are cleaned, and which are overgraded?
Surely you don't think they're all both cleaned and overgraded.
No, I'm not calling you Shirley.
Young Numismatist • My Toned Coins
Life is roadblocks. Don't let nothing stop you, 'cause we ain't stopping. - DJ Khaled
1, 6, 7, and 9
I don't care what PCGS or CAC said about the 05-S 25¢, that thing is beautiful.
I really like 9.
1. No. Lack of luster.
2. No. Lack of luster.
3. Yes. Except for head has exceptional detail for grade.
4. No. Weak detail.
5. Yes. Exceptional coin both luster & strike.
6. 50/50. Don't know typical strike for this variety.
7. Yes. Au/Ms-63 type of coin.
8. Yes. Exceptional coin.
9. No. May have too much wear.
10. No. Good but dull fields. Lack of luster.
Nobody pays me $10 bucks for an opinion so worth just that. An opinion. James
(Very nice coins though, would be proud to own any or all)
No idea why letters are so large. no less about computers than i do about Cac coins
Only 6 & 8 Pass
Collector of Capped Bust Halves, SLQ's, Commems, and random cool stuff! @davidv_numismatics on Instagram
Sorry to be late to the guesses here. These are fantastic coins, and I think a number of them have a good shot at getting a sticker. My best guess is that 5,6, and 9 pass. My estimates are based off of luster, strike, and subtleties of toning. I am interested to see what happens-- Thanks for sharing these!
1) no
2) no
3) yes
4) n0
5) yes
6) yes
7) yes
8) yes
9) yes
10) no
Maybe my guesses are tainted by going 0-14 at CACG for "at grade crossovers" and 1-1 with green bean "at grade crossovers".
I will guess #5, #6, #8, #9. They killed me on AU58's and AU55's that had weak strikes so I couldn't pick those. They did not cross any MS coins that I sent.
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I'd probably be more strict with an in hand inspection but these look pretty good overall. Some of the N's are in the "probably not but still could sticker" category.
Love the original crust on #10 1833. Coins get that appearance from being held in a bank bag for decades on end. Many of the 1830s can be found with a similar look. Looking forward to the results! Thanks for the opportunity to play!
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you" Matthew 6:33. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.
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JRCS #1606
Yes to 3, 5, 6, 7, 9.
No to 1,3,5,6,10
Bump in case anyone else wants to guess. I am expecting results this week.
And thank you to everyone who has guessed. I'll definitely keep you posted once the results are in
“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
Todd - BHNC #242
Can’t wait to hear how you did, Todd!
As always 🤞for you brother.
Dave
Well, the results are in. Of this group, 6 of 10 got stickers.
I'd say I'm not wholly surprised with a couple, but a couple others I want to see if I get comments.
17 of you made guesses. For each coin I am giving the % of guess that went for the bean as a percentage.
I used a half a point for @breakdown 's guess on #1 and same to @seatedlib3991 's on #6 for the percentages
Unless I counted wrong, the best of you guessed 6 out of 10 correctly. Congratulations to:
@Cougar1978
@LeeBone
@slider23
@pcgscacgold
I guess that includes me too, as I don't send them unless I think they have a reasonable (at least 60%) shot.
I will update this thread sometime next week when I get the box back and let you know if I get any comments.
Thanks for all of your guesses!
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Coin #1 32.25% ...Did Not Pass Surprised.
Coin #2 17.65% ...Did Not Pass Somewhat surprised.
Coin #3 47.06% ...Passed
Coin #4 23.53% ...Passed
Coin #5 76.47% ...Did Not Pass Surprised. Interesting tidbit. This coin was a N55 before I bought it. I still think she's a 53.
Coin #6 73.53% ...Passed
Coin #7 64.71% ...Did Not Pass Surprised. Very.
Coin #8 47.06% ...Passed
Coin #9 64.71% ...Passed
Coin #10 11.76% .Passed
“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
Todd - BHNC #242
5 is baffling.
8 is probably a surprise pass imo. As I told you via text, usually he’s tough on that look.
The SLQ passing is a testament to how nice they are. He can be very hard on those.
Overall very solid. Congrats.
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
For those that have followed this thread, I wanted to give you the comments on the four coins that Did Not Pass, as I just received the box aback about an hour ago.
I'm also going to add a few of my thoughts on these.
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Coin #1 "Questionable Toning." I disagree. Pretty subjective. The history of the coin is I bought it in an NGC holder from a Heritage Auction in 2010. It looked exactly as it does today, and I think it's natural, although I have had some discussion with other collectors about what colors and patterns JA is cautious on, and I think this one fell victim to that.
Of course he seems to appreciate even fairly recent Wayte Raymond work, as evidenced by some other beans I have seen this year, so, I don't know.
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Coin #2 "Obverse friction." Okay, technically he is correct. This is a 58 or 58+ / 63 coin. I was pleasantly surprised when PCGS graded it as 63 because I was on the fence as a 58 or 63, but after looking at it again, I thought PCGS got it right. I guess JA didn't. I don't think that friction is from circulation, and it is slight, for sure.
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Coin #5 "Old Cleaning." Hmmm. Ummm. Okay. Maybe? Is it 100% stone cold original? No, probably not. Has it been "cleaned"? Meh. That could be an interesting conversation. Have I see worse with a bean? Yes I have. More than a few.
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Coin # 7 "Questionable Toning." Again, I disagree. Very subjective. But then again, it isn't album toning. My understanding is it came from an older collection that sat in a cloth envelope, in a box, in a safe ... for a long time. I can see that, but I'll study her again carefully to make sure I'm not missing something.
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Anyway, just want you all to see the whole picture. I know you're only looking at images and JA, PCGS and I have all had the coins in hand. But if it helps, then I'm glad I posted it.
There were over a dozen more coins in this submission, and this is the first time JA has commented to me on the coins that did not pass. I am very appreciative that he did in fact provide his notes to me.
I already know I don't agree with a couple of his comments, but I respect that he laid it out, and I do respect his eye (else why would I send them). And, FWIW, I can agree with some of his others too, at least in principle. So even the DNP's will prove worthwhile in some way.
Have a great weekend all!
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“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
Todd - BHNC #242
7 is a stunner of a coin. Calling it QC seems off to me.
Coin Photographer.
Thanks for the thorough updates Todd. Super fun experiment. Hope to see more of these in the future!
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you" Matthew 6:33. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.
BHNC #AN-10
JRCS #1606
Your thread is a great learning experience. Thank you for taking the time to work on this post and walk us through the outcome. The feedback from JA adds to our learning experience, and I wish I had asked CAC to provide feedback after my last submission.
Interestingly, not long ago, I asked CAC grading to make notes/provide feedback regarding a cross I had requested (the coin did not cross). When the process was done, they were not able to share the feedback that they said they would provide (got lost, forgot, ?). I don't know if the grading team often provides feedback like the stickering team does from time to time.
Thanks for the update @pursuitofliberty
As I dig deeper into the CBH world I seem to find more and more questionable coins that received "The Blessing".
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$5 Type Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/type-sets/half-eagle-type-set-circulation-strikes-1795-1929/album/344192
CBH Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/everyman-collections/everyman-half-dollars/everyman-capped-bust-half-dollars-1807-1839/album/345572