@OAKSTAR said:
I'm a simple man. I have a question: I would just like to know EXACTLY who (an engravers name would be nice) modified or altered these die. EXACTLY where these dies were modified. EXACTLY when these dies were modified. And EXACTLY why these dies were modified.
I'm willing to wager the Secret Service would like to know the answer to those questions as well.
I'd rather see them protecting the President of the United States, rather them running down BS $20 counterfeit bill and bad checks!
They have ~3200 agents and have always been in charge of policing counterfeits. That's why it was created. The vast majority of the Secret Service's work has to do with financial crimes.
You are exactly right. And do you know why the vast majority of SS agents are working financial crimes?... Because they all get cushy security jobs on Wall Street and major financial institutions throughout the country after they retire!... Any questions?
They should be using that vast majority to protect the President!....Any President! Do you know the Secret Service slogan?......Yesterday's Technology Tomorrow!
Former regulators (SEC people, Federal Reserve Governors, etc) will often do exactly that. I can't speak definitively but I highly doubt Secret Service agents are getting cushy Wall Street jobs en masse. They're basically mid-level cops. They have essentially zero value to banks or investment firms. No connections and no skills that are valuable enough to warrant anything more than an administrative position.
Again, you are exactly correct. It's not the line agents GS-12's and 13's. It's the upper management, GS-15's and SES's that are keeping the fraud division open for business and emphasizing that it's mission critical......it's not. Any law enforcement agency could do that function! They are protecting their wallets and after retirement financial interests...you can take that to the bank.
@OAKSTAR said:
I'm a simple man. I have a question: I would just like to know EXACTLY who (an engravers name would be nice) modified or altered these die. EXACTLY where these dies were modified. EXACTLY when these dies were modified. And EXACTLY why these dies were modified.
I'm not interested in speculation.
Basically, what's the big secret? Is it a national security risk? A privacy act issue? A threat to national security? Exactly what is the big deal about this? Why is it so difficult to get the facts? There's no documentation, logs or records kept at the mint for something like this?
There are many unanswered question with these types of issues on coins.
2004-D Wisconsin extra leaf.
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The reason that the Mint has not provided an answer is because they do not know.
I believe this was entirely accidental damage that went unnoticed. So they probably don't even know what die numbers and presses struck them, or when.
Accidental damage occurs to dies all the time, especially in a large busy production facility running at full capacity. Most of the time, the damage is spotted by inspectors and the die is culled. But in this case, the damage just happened to be very well camouflaged.
The reason that the Mint has not provided an answer is because they do not know.
I believe this was entirely accidental damage that went unnoticed. So they probably don't even know what die numbers and presses struck them, or when.
Accidental damage occurs to dies all the time, especially in a large busy production facility running at full capacity. Most of the time, the damage is spotted by inspectors and the die is culled. But in this case, the damage just happened to be very well camouflaged.
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Okay, I can buy that explanation Dan. Thanks for your detailed opinion on this. It seems perfectly reasonable. This particular, "let's call it an anomaly" on this coin has been widely publicized and documented. The mint obviously knows about this coin and it's interest in the numismatic community.
The mint has a public relations office or some kind of customer service, correct? If like you say; they don't know. Why can't they come out with an official statement saying; they don't know? This would stop all the speculation.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
@OAKSTAR said:
I'm a simple man. I have a question: I would just like to know EXACTLY who (an engravers name would be nice) modified or altered these die. EXACTLY where these dies were modified. EXACTLY when these dies were modified. And EXACTLY why these dies were modified.
I'm not interested in speculation.
Basically, what's the big secret? Is it a national security risk? A privacy act issue? A threat to national security? Exactly what is the big deal about this? Why is it so difficult to get the facts? There's no documentation, logs or records kept at the mint for something like this?
There are many unanswered question with these types of issues on coins.
2004-D Wisconsin extra leaf.
.
The reason that the Mint has not provided an answer is because they do not know.
I believe this was entirely accidental damage that went unnoticed. So they probably don't even know what die numbers and presses struck them, or when.
Accidental damage occurs to dies all the time, especially in a large busy production facility running at full capacity. Most of the time, the damage is spotted by inspectors and the die is culled. But in this case, the damage just happened to be very well camouflaged.
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The little bit that extends past the other leaf checks out with that explanation, but why would the damage be furrowed as if it were an intentional leaf?
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@OAKSTAR said:
I'm a simple man. I have a question: I would just like to know EXACTLY who (an engravers name would be nice) modified or altered these die. EXACTLY where these dies were modified. EXACTLY when these dies were modified. And EXACTLY why these dies were modified.
I'm not interested in speculation.
Basically, what's the big secret? Is it a national security risk? A privacy act issue? A threat to national security? Exactly what is the big deal about this? Why is it so difficult to get the facts? There's no documentation, logs or records kept at the mint for something like this?
There are many unanswered question with these types of issues on coins.
2004-D Wisconsin extra leaf.
.
The reason that the Mint has not provided an answer is because they do not know.
I believe this was entirely accidental damage that went unnoticed. So they probably don't even know what die numbers and presses struck them, or when.
Accidental damage occurs to dies all the time, especially in a large busy production facility running at full capacity. Most of the time, the damage is spotted by inspectors and the die is culled. But in this case, the damage just happened to be very well camouflaged.
.
The little bit that extends past the other leaf checks out with that explanation, but why would the damage be furrowed as if it were an intentional leaf?
Both high-leaf and low-leaf versions appear to be caused by an impact with the end of a threaded bolt.
I used a spare US Mint bolt that came with my US Mint coin press to make this crescent-shaped mark (above the M/M):
@OAKSTAR
I'm a simple man. I have a question: I would just like to know EXACTLY who (an engravers name would be nice) modified or altered these die. EXACTLY where these dies were modified. EXACTLY when these dies were modified. And EXACTLY why these dies were modified.
I'm not interested in speculation.
Basically, what's the big secret? Is it a national security risk? A privacy act issue? A threat to national security? Exactly what is the big deal about this? Why is it so difficult to get the facts? There's no documentation, logs or records kept at the mint for something like this?
There are many unanswered question with these types of issues on coins.
..
.
Hey Moe ?
I think their on too us.
Why does a TPG recognize the 1983 P ”spitting” quarter when—
There are spitting quarters in many other years that they do not recognize, and
The other TPGs do not recognize those clashes on 1983 P quarters?
@OAKSTAR
I'm a simple man. I have a question: I would just like to know EXACTLY who (an engravers name would be nice) modified or altered these die. EXACTLY where these dies were modified. EXACTLY when these dies were modified. And EXACTLY why these dies were modified.
I'm not interested in speculation.
Basically, what's the big secret? Is it a national security risk? A privacy act issue? A threat to national security? Exactly what is the big deal about this? Why is it so difficult to get the facts? There's no documentation, logs or records kept at the mint for something like this?
There are many unanswered question with these types of issues on coins.
..
.
Hey Moe ?
I think their on too us.
@CaptHenway said:
BTW, I am quite serious about wanting to know when the Philadelphia Mint STOPPED shipping unhardened dies to the branch mints and STARTED sending pre-hardened dies. The information does not appear to be available anywhere.
Look to see when all mints had presses that could accommodate the dies without further machining at the branch mints, perhaps?
Here’s one that may be answerable. The foreign coins accepted as legal tender changed over time and successive coinage acts. Were these changes simply due to assay results or we’re there political motives?
@MFeld said:
Would those of you who are having clearly off-topic conversations please stop, so this thread doesn’t get locked.
I specified "legitimate numismatic questions," but it did not seem to take.
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@oldabeintx said:
Here’s one that may be answerable. The foreign coins accepted as legal tender changed over time and successive coinage acts. Were these changes simply due to assay results or we’re there political motives?
Good question. I suspect that it may have been caused when a country changed its weight and/or fineness on its current coins, making it harder to distinguish between its new coins and the older, more valuable coins. Otherwise you have to have table such as:
Easier just to say that all Freedonia Pesos are worth $0.50
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@johnny9434 said:
How is it possible that in Europe it is today.
In Australia it is tomorrow.
And in Alabama it is 1890?
Yeah, I recently vacationed in Australia. Left LAX on a Friday evening - ~15 hr flight - landed Sunday morning. Saturday completely disappeared. Returning, I arrived at LAX before I left Sydney.
Collector of Liberty Seated Half Dimes, including die pairs and die states
@johnny9434 said:
How is it possible that in Europe it is today.
In Australia it is tomorrow.
And in Alabama it is 1890?
Yeah, I recently vacationed in Australia. Left LAX on a Friday evening - ~15 hr flight - landed Sunday morning. Saturday completely disappeared. Returning, I arrived at LAX before I left Sydney.
At the north pole it can be any day you want. Walk around with the sun at your back (I know but you won't be there in the winter anyway), and you move forward one day with each revolution. Or walk the other way and you can go backward in time. But no matter where you go you can't go to 12 AM or 12 PM because there is no such thing.
In Australia they not only put kangaroos on their coins but they put summer in the middle of winter and they look up at stars we can't see.
It's not reality that is so confused. It's us.
Greek kids once played a matching game by tossing nummulites that are coin shaped discs of a fossilized foraminifera. They were called heads or tails. This was apparently derived from Egypt.
I see Wiki has added this to the nummulite page.
The ancient Egyptians used nummulite shells as coins and the pyramids were constructed using limestone that contained nummulites.[3][6] It is not surprising then that the name Nummulites is a diminutive form of the Latin nummulus 'little coin', a reference to their shape.[7]
Of course before 600 BC nobody had coins and we still haven't figured out how to make a complicated economy work using barter. Sure, if you have a wagon full of hay you can trade it for three pigs but what if all you have is a day's labor and a family to care for. One of the kids always needs shoe and the better half wants to go out for a night of dining and dancing.
The ancient Egyptians used nummulite shells as coins and the pyramids were constructed using limestone that contained nummulites.[3][6] It is not surprising then that the name Nummulites is a diminutive form of the Latin nummulus 'little coin', a reference to their shape.[7]
The Great Pyramid is the world's largest coin collection. There are 2 1/2 million stones in it and each can have thousands of nummulites. It's a 481 foot tall coin collection.
@MFeld said:
Would those of you who are having clearly off-topic conversations please stop, so this thread doesn’t get locked.
Hey @emeraldATV started it. How come he never gets yells at?
I'm pretty confident he was at least partially talking about us. The retirement plans of secret service agents is not .. traditionally...a numsimatic topic.
Did the guy you met at a coin show 40 years ago confirm that at least two 1964-D Peace dollars were seen by his best friend’s barber’s neighbor’s uncle in a downtown Denver bar in 1964?
The Mint claims they were all returned.
The Philadelphia Mint: making coins since 1792. We make money by making money. Now in our 225th year thanks to no competition.
@MFeld said:
Would those of you who are having clearly off-topic conversations please stop, so this thread doesn’t get locked.
Hey @emeraldATV started it. How come he never gets yells at?
I'm pretty confident he was at least partially talking about us. The retirement plans of secret service agents is not .. traditionally...a numsimatic topic.
Hey, it involves money doesn't it? But I get your point.
Okay.....
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
@CaptHenway said:
Legitimate Numismatic questions that nobody can answer (including me).
Here’s one that I have been struggling with for years. When the Mint opened Branch Mints in 1838, it shipped new dies to them in an unhardened, or “un-tempered” state so that if the dies went astray in transit they would be of limited use to a counterfeiter. Each Mint would harden and basin each die for use.
The question is, when did Philadelphia stop shipping unhardened dies and start shipping hardened dies? The latest unhardened dies I can document are in the late 1870’s, but the change could have been decades after that.
The mint would not ship both the obverse die and the reverse die in the same package to thwart anyone who stole the package in transit.
Sounds like some of the same problems that the USPS is trying to avoid today but can’t fix
@MFeld said:
Would those of you who are having clearly off-topic conversations please stop, so this thread doesn’t get locked.
Hey @emeraldATV started it. How come he never gets yells at?
I'm pretty confident he was at least partially talking about us. The retirement plans of secret service agents is not .. traditionally...a numsimatic topic.
I think the cow from South Park carries the weight. You guys can’t take all the credit.
Why did the mint seemingly have no problem creating Cameo proof coinage in the late 1800s but rarely did they strike any in the late 1930s early 40s?
jom
Roger Burdette addresses that in his book about 1936-42 proofs. Basically, the mint neither knew how to make them nor wanted to. It had been a generation since proofs were last made and a lot of production knowledge was no longer there. The designs changed dramatically, with the Barber and earlier coinage being a flat field and floating design, while the new designs had fields that were not flat. In cases like the buffalo nickel, they were integral to the design.
@CaptHenway said:
Legitimate Numismatic questions that nobody can answer (including me).
Here’s one that I have been struggling with for years. When the Mint opened Branch Mints in 1838, it shipped new dies to them in an unhardened, or “un-tempered” state so that if the dies went astray in transit they would be of limited use to a counterfeiter. Each Mint would harden and basin each die for use.
The question is, when did Philadelphia stop shipping unhardened dies and start shipping hardened dies? The latest unhardened dies I can document are in the late 1870’s, but the change could have been decades after that.
Is there a mint archives somewhere? I don't know, I'm just asking. Who would be the numismatic/mint historian
go-to guy in today's world?
@CaptHenway said:
Legitimate Numismatic questions that nobody can answer (including me).
Here’s one that I have been struggling with for years. When the Mint opened Branch Mints in 1838, it shipped new dies to them in an unhardened, or “un-tempered” state so that if the dies went astray in transit they would be of limited use to a counterfeiter. Each Mint would harden and basin each die for use.
The question is, when did Philadelphia stop shipping unhardened dies and start shipping hardened dies? The latest unhardened dies I can document are in the late 1870’s, but the change could have been decades after that.
Is there a mint archives somewhere? I don't know, I'm just asking. Who would be the numismatic/mint historian
go-to guy in today's world?
Part of the problem may be that about 40 years ago a Mint Director ordered that huge quantities of Mint archives be destroyed, allegedly because they were of no more use. Obviously she never researched a numismatic article.
And the point was relatively minor in the great scheme of things. So long as the guys operating the presses got good dies it did not matter where they were hardened, The question is, did San Francisco and Denver get good dies in the 1920's, and if not why not?
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@CaptHenway said:
Legitimate Numismatic questions that nobody can answer (including me).
Here’s one that I have been struggling with for years. When the Mint opened Branch Mints in 1838, it shipped new dies to them in an unhardened, or “un-tempered” state so that if the dies went astray in transit they would be of limited use to a counterfeiter. Each Mint would harden and basin each die for use.
The question is, when did Philadelphia stop shipping unhardened dies and start shipping hardened dies? The latest unhardened dies I can document are in the late 1870’s, but the change could have been decades after that.
Is there a mint archives somewhere? I don't know, I'm just asking. Who would be the numismatic/mint historian
go-to guy in today's world?
Part of the problem may be that about 40 years ago a Mint Director ordered that huge quantities of Mint archives be destroyed, allegedly because they were of no more use. Obviously she never researched a numismatic article.
And the point was relatively minor in the great scheme of things. So long as the guys operating the presses got good dies it did not matter where they were hardened, The question is, did San Francisco and Denver get good dies in the 1920's, and if not why not?
You just made me realize, your overall point here and question is much more relevant and serious to the history and process if numismatics then these silly speared eagles, spitting quarters, extra leafs, etc.. In the big scheme of things, they are a low priority or no priority at all in the minting process accountability. 👍 👍
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@MsMorrisine said:
when was the last time a president had an influence on a coin's design?
I believe that President and Mrs. Carter were involved in the decision to put Susan B. Anthony on the small dollar coin rather than Frank Gasparro's Liberty Cap design, but I am sure that there were others involved in the decision as well. At least that is what I heard when I was working at Coin World in 1978.
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“ Silly Extra Leaves “ are irrelevant !! Maybe for the vast number of coin collectors who collect Classic coins. Don’t overlook the thousands of coin collectors who collect, purchase and trade the modern coins. Modern coins and Bullion examples are what greatly influence today’s coin business and hobby. If the Extra Leaf Quarters are so meaningless, why does the unauthorized Denver Mint Die worker(s) come forward or better yet our Government and the Denver Mint address the mintage and release of these Silly coins. Was a die worker mad at their employer ? Did the worker want to make numismatic history before they left they left their job ? I understand how a coin press maybe the source for a random bolt while minting one die design, but Two Wisconsin Quarter Dies ?? Then add the 2004 D Roosevelt Dime which have a similar extra curved design over one’ Ear. The dime was probably the result of the Denver Die shop and released before the quarter dies were intentionally altered and then the quarters were minted on Thanksgiving Weekend, 2004. Twenty years ago.
Here is one that stumps me! Is this double struck or a dramatic double profile? If a double profile, it is unique in location and displacement to my knowledge. Clear separation in the eyes and mouth demonstrate double striking qualities. Something going on at the breast line as well. A sight to see nonetheless!
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Curiouser and curiouser, as my old friend Alice used to say. Unfortunately, Alice doesn't live here anymore, and I am somewhat stumped on this one. Let me ponder, weak and weary.
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@jacrispies said:
Here is one that stumps me! Is this double struck or a dramatic double profile? If a double profile, it is unique in location and displacement to my knowledge. Clear separation in the eyes and mouth demonstrate double striking qualities. Something going on at the breast line as well. A sight to see nonetheless!
Comments
Well played but true at the same time.
How did this coin get Royal Mint approval?
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The reason that the Mint has not provided an answer is because they do not know.
I believe this was entirely accidental damage that went unnoticed. So they probably don't even know what die numbers and presses struck them, or when.
Accidental damage occurs to dies all the time, especially in a large busy production facility running at full capacity. Most of the time, the damage is spotted by inspectors and the die is culled. But in this case, the damage just happened to be very well camouflaged.
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Okay, I can buy that explanation Dan. Thanks for your detailed opinion on this. It seems perfectly reasonable. This particular, "let's call it an anomaly" on this coin has been widely publicized and documented. The mint obviously knows about this coin and it's interest in the numismatic community.
The mint has a public relations office or some kind of customer service, correct? If like you say; they don't know. Why can't they come out with an official statement saying; they don't know? This would stop all the speculation.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
The little bit that extends past the other leaf checks out with that explanation, but why would the damage be furrowed as if it were an intentional leaf?
Young Numismatist • My Toned Coins
Life is roadblocks. Don't let nothing stop you, 'cause we ain't stopping. - DJ Khaled
Did the New Orleans mint really make 50 half eagles in 1841 dated 1841? Or were they dated 1840?
Imagine if one dated 1841 ever surfaces?
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
Both high-leaf and low-leaf versions appear to be caused by an impact with the end of a threaded bolt.
I used a spare US Mint bolt that came with my US Mint coin press to make this crescent-shaped mark (above the M/M):
@OAKSTAR
I'm a simple man. I have a question: I would just like to know EXACTLY who (an engravers name would be nice) modified or altered these die. EXACTLY where these dies were modified. EXACTLY when these dies were modified. And EXACTLY why these dies were modified.
I'm not interested in speculation.
Basically, what's the big secret? Is it a national security risk? A privacy act issue? A threat to national security? Exactly what is the big deal about this? Why is it so difficult to get the facts? There's no documentation, logs or records kept at the mint for something like this?
There are many unanswered question with these types of issues on coins.
..
.
Hey Moe ?
I think their on too us.
Why does a TPG recognize the 1983 P ”spitting” quarter when—
There are spitting quarters in many other years that they do not recognize, and
The other TPGs do not recognize those clashes on 1983 P quarters?
Don't make me come over there @emeraldATV !!
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
Would those of you who are having clearly off-topic conversations please stop, so this thread doesn’t get locked.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Technically, yours is an off topic post.
Tradition that dates back to Teletrade.
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Why didn't you phrase this in the form of a question?
To prevent this thread getting locked, why can't people take their off-topic conversations elsewhere?
😁
Look to see when all mints had presses that could accommodate the dies without further machining at the branch mints, perhaps?
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Here’s one that may be answerable. The foreign coins accepted as legal tender changed over time and successive coinage acts. Were these changes simply due to assay results or we’re there political motives?
I specified "legitimate numismatic questions," but it did not seem to take.
In fairness, this thread was launched nearly in tandem with my "dumb" question thread. Sometimes irreverence is contagious.
Good question. I suspect that it may have been caused when a country changed its weight and/or fineness on its current coins, making it harder to distinguish between its new coins and the older, more valuable coins. Otherwise you have to have table such as:
Freedonia Peso 1817-1824 worth $1.00
Freedonia Peso 1826-1841 worth $0.87-1/2
Freedonia Peso 1842-1857 worth $0.50
Easier just to say that all Freedonia Pesos are worth $0.50
Pronunciations will always be an academic stumble.
Machin's
Disme
Feuchtwanger...
Yeah, I recently vacationed in Australia. Left LAX on a Friday evening - ~15 hr flight - landed Sunday morning. Saturday completely disappeared. Returning, I arrived at LAX before I left Sydney.
Collector of Liberty Seated Half Dimes, including die pairs and die states
At the north pole it can be any day you want. Walk around with the sun at your back (I know but you won't be there in the winter anyway), and you move forward one day with each revolution. Or walk the other way and you can go backward in time. But no matter where you go you can't go to 12 AM or 12 PM because there is no such thing.
In Australia they not only put kangaroos on their coins but they put summer in the middle of winter and they look up at stars we can't see.
It's not reality that is so confused. It's us.
Greek kids once played a matching game by tossing nummulites that are coin shaped discs of a fossilized foraminifera. They were called heads or tails. This was apparently derived from Egypt.
I see Wiki has added this to the nummulite page.
The ancient Egyptians used nummulite shells as coins and the pyramids were constructed using limestone that contained nummulites.[3][6] It is not surprising then that the name Nummulites is a diminutive form of the Latin nummulus 'little coin', a reference to their shape.[7]
Of course before 600 BC nobody had coins and we still haven't figured out how to make a complicated economy work using barter. Sure, if you have a wagon full of hay you can trade it for three pigs but what if all you have is a day's labor and a family to care for. One of the kids always needs shoe and the better half wants to go out for a night of dining and dancing.
It's a funny world.
The Great Pyramid is the world's largest coin collection. There are 2 1/2 million stones in it and each can have thousands of nummulites. It's a 481 foot tall coin collection.
Hey @emeraldATV started it. How come he never gets yelled at?
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
I'm pretty confident he was at least partially talking about us. The retirement plans of secret service agents is not .. traditionally...a numsimatic topic.
Did the guy you met at a coin show 40 years ago confirm that at least two 1964-D Peace dollars were seen by his best friend’s barber’s neighbor’s uncle in a downtown Denver bar in 1964?
The Mint claims they were all returned.
Hey, it involves money doesn't it? But I get your point.
Okay.....
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
Interesting to note the short concise response to the question on the NGC forum -thanks to RWB...
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
Sounds like some of the same problems that the USPS is trying to avoid today but can’t fix
Lafayette Grading Set
I think the cow from South Park carries the weight. You guys can’t take all the credit.
OK, I'll try:
Why did the mint seemingly have no problem creating Cameo proof coinage in the late 1800s but rarely did they strike any in the late 1930s early 40s?
jom
i came up with questions like this early on but figured they might not be unanswered in the national archives
i'll have to think of some more
Roger Burdette addresses that in his book about 1936-42 proofs. Basically, the mint neither knew how to make them nor wanted to. It had been a generation since proofs were last made and a lot of production knowledge was no longer there. The designs changed dramatically, with the Barber and earlier coinage being a flat field and floating design, while the new designs had fields that were not flat. In cases like the buffalo nickel, they were integral to the design.
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Why is there no unofficial unanswerable numismatic question thread?
Julian or Roger (he is banned here - our loss)
Part of the problem may be that about 40 years ago a Mint Director ordered that huge quantities of Mint archives be destroyed, allegedly because they were of no more use. Obviously she never researched a numismatic article.
And the point was relatively minor in the great scheme of things. So long as the guys operating the presses got good dies it did not matter where they were hardened, The question is, did San Francisco and Denver get good dies in the 1920's, and if not why not?
You just made me realize, your overall point here and question is much more relevant and serious to the history and process if numismatics then these silly speared eagles, spitting quarters, extra leafs, etc.. In the big scheme of things, they are a low priority or no priority at all in the minting process accountability. 👍 👍
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
What's the mechanical engineering basis for the assigning number of reeds to the edge of a modern Roosevelt dime?
On the web: http://www.earlyus.com
when was the last time a president had an influence on a coin's design?
I believe that President and Mrs. Carter were involved in the decision to put Susan B. Anthony on the small dollar coin rather than Frank Gasparro's Liberty Cap design, but I am sure that there were others involved in the decision as well. At least that is what I heard when I was working at Coin World in 1978.
“ Silly Extra Leaves “ are irrelevant !! Maybe for the vast number of coin collectors who collect Classic coins. Don’t overlook the thousands of coin collectors who collect, purchase and trade the modern coins. Modern coins and Bullion examples are what greatly influence today’s coin business and hobby. If the Extra Leaf Quarters are so meaningless, why does the unauthorized Denver Mint Die worker(s) come forward or better yet our Government and the Denver Mint address the mintage and release of these Silly coins. Was a die worker mad at their employer ? Did the worker want to make numismatic history before they left they left their job ? I understand how a coin press maybe the source for a random bolt while minting one die design, but Two Wisconsin Quarter Dies ?? Then add the 2004 D Roosevelt Dime which have a similar extra curved design over one’ Ear. The dime was probably the result of the Denver Die shop and released before the quarter dies were intentionally altered and then the quarters were minted on Thanksgiving Weekend, 2004. Twenty years ago.
Here is one that stumps me! Is this double struck or a dramatic double profile? If a double profile, it is unique in location and displacement to my knowledge. Clear separation in the eyes and mouth demonstrate double striking qualities. Something going on at the breast line as well. A sight to see nonetheless!
https://coins.ha.com/itm/bust-half-dollars/1814-50c-au58-pcgs-o-106a-r4-pcgs-6105-/a/1143-4862.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515#
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you" Matthew 6:33. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.
BHNC #AN-10
JRCS #1606
Curiouser and curiouser, as my old friend Alice used to say. Unfortunately, Alice doesn't live here anymore, and I am somewhat stumped on this one. Let me ponder, weak and weary.
“Hey, Paolo, I think we broke the President.”
In an inflationary spiral and a recent inclusion to the century club, why are 1922 Peace Dollars auctioning for $47 in PCGS MS64 holders?
https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1686184/1922-Peace-Silver-Dollar-PCGS-MS-64
when was the last production plaster made and used?
I vote double struck because of the two shield clashes under the ear.
Maybe not "unanswerable", but "unanswered" at this point:
1) Who made the VAM-listed "privately-made" Morgan Dollars (1896/1900/1901/1902 micro-o & family) ?
2) Who was "P & R.R. Smith" (the dies for this coin exist, but no coins have ever turned up) : ?
