PAN Show Newp, opinions please *PCGS grades posted *
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I spent Thursday at the PAN Show in Monroeville, PA, seemed like a good show, lots of dealers, there appeared to be a good public turn out too. Dealers had more fresh inventory that I’ve seen at the last couple PAN shows, that was a good to see!
I picked up this 1822 O.112 (among a few other CBHs). I’ve been assembling a set of the 1822 die marriages, so was happy to find this tougher variety. I was interested to hear some opinions on the grade and originally of this one.
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I would say 50/50 straight grade. I say 50/50 because I can’t tell for certain from the pics.
To the left and up from The olive branches to the F in OF are questionable to me.
Either way it’s a great coin and a tough die marriage!
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
> To the left and up from The olive branches to the F in OF are questionable to me.
? Please explain this
Thanks
Mike
My Indians
Danco Set
The coin displays AU details, but the smaller picture of each side makes me think it might have been cleaned.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Very nice. IMO 55ish
Agree it’s cleaned but NGC should straight grade it.
Still a very nice coin. I say 53.
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From a details standpoint she's crisp and sharp, and as a straight grade, I can see her in the 55-ish grade.
But the color seems a little off, and the surfaces seem a little "glossy" under that color, which gives me pause. The luster doesn't seem fully natural. All of that may be the images however.
She's not fully original, but she isn't a bad looking thing. As Paul explained, she's a dang tough DM too, which I know you know.
If I was betting, based of the images, I think she get's a details grade at PCGS. My gut says 75/25 in favor of the deets.
I am curious though Ken, what do YOU think?
This isn't your first rodeo, and I'm curious if you think it will straight grade.
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I have one in P53cac, but I don't want to derail your thread.
“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
Todd - BHNC #242
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
Ok, I figured out the area you were referring too, but what am I looking for/at?
Mike
My Indians
Danco Set
My guess would be an old rub that has since re-toned based on the two smaller pics.
For me it’s the difference in color and surfaces. It appears that someone may have cleaned that portion and caused it to retone differently than the rest of the coin
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
Thanks, always willing to learn something new
Mike
My Indians
Danco Set
Well, I don’t claim to be a great grader, and typically don’t buy more expensive coins raw. But, I made an exception for this one being a tougher variety. That being said, I don’t see any signs of hairlines, the luster appears to be just slightly impaired, I was thinking it was probably dipped at some point to cause this. As for the discoloration at the top on the Reverse, I’m not really sure, In my opinion (which isn't worth a whole lot) there isn’t any disturbance in the surface…. It appears to just be discolored, so I was thinking a careless oily finger print from long ago, or maybe it didn’t get rinsed well after being dipped??
I was 50/50 on straight grading, that’s why I was looking for opinions. I probably will submit it at some point just to see, but I like it for my set regardless.
Let’s see some pics of your 22-112!!
Ken, I like her too, although the images are a little tough to tell for sure how much I like her. I might be a little over on the 75/25, but that was my gut (from images).
I don't really see what Paul sees (or it doesn't jump out at me as an issue), but as I stated, it seems to have something going on with the luster. The color probably can fly, like you suggest, maybe just regular handling with oily fingers. Please keep us informed when you send it in.
I actually have really good images of mine ... but that's because it came from our good friend @lkeigwin and he gave me the images too.
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“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
Todd - BHNC #242
I’m basing my opinion from similar coins with what seems like similar issues. I’ve known people to submit coins with very similar looks and they came back AU details. When I saw them in hand, my initial gut feeling was the area with different color was maybe cleaned with a solution to get dirt and it caused it to tone differently after a dip or some similar scenario. But like you, my opinion isn’t worth much 😂
It honestly might just be the lighting 🤷♂️
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
Here’s mine. Wish I could send a video, it’s so pretty.
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
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I'm pretty sure all three of us are a little more amateur than pro when it comes to grading, ESPECIALLY from pictures.
Nice one Paul. That was a solid win.
“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
Todd - BHNC #242
Grades are in! PCGS gave me a AU55.
It looks great in my set! 😁
Please explain.
Congrat's Ken!
Based on my interpretation of the TrueView, I think they got it right. It doesn't look as "glossy" in those images as I thought yours made it look. Typically coins like that exhibit a specific imaging look on TrueView.
Anyway, she's a good looking coin, and that's a good grade for her.
“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
Todd - BHNC #242
Er, U was wrong……………….
Congrats, well deserved, you have a great eye!
Thanks guys! My original pictures were pretty lousy, it’s hard to grade from pictures, especially low quality ones, but I do appreciate everyone’s opinions!
doubly agree from op's tough to decipher pics but now upon seeing excellent pics I agree with pcgs...... although I don't always agree with them. Yes it is definitely tough to grade from photos, especially when op has the coin in hand.....we have the clear disadvantage
Great result!
Congratulations!
It’s a nice looking Bust Half!
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
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