Question: PVC Damage or Verdigris? (Slabbed)

constitutional_halve

Thoughts on wether this is PVC damage or verdigris?

NGC slab.

I was about to crack this and send to PCGS. Barely noticed it on my second pass.

OAKSTAR

I'm in the verdigris column.

constitutional_halve

@OAKSTAR said:
I'm in the verdigris column.

I'm leaning that way as well.

If it helps, the photo color is accurate to in hand color.

johnny9434

@OAKSTAR said:
I'm in the verdigris column.

Leaning the same way

OAKSTAR

@constitutional_halve said:

@OAKSTAR said:
I'm in the verdigris column.

I'm leaning that way as well.

If it helps, the photo color is accurate to in hand color.

How's the rest of the coin?

constitutional_halve

An absurdly original AU55

Crypto

Clearly active PVC, easily removed but it will strip the rest of the organic skin off the coin as well. Dust, oils, dirt, smeg and the like. This affects different coins differently depending on what the compounds lend to their look. No matter what the metal will be newly exposed to the elements that had had layers on top of it for the years prior.

I tend to move on from conserved coins as often their look takes a year or two to truly stabilize and it doesn’t always end well.

constitutional_halve

It's visible on NGCs page as well.

https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/6919853-003/55/

OAKSTAR

It's not a bad looking coin. I would leave it as is.

jacrispies

If you wanted to conserve it, take acetone and a Q-tip and spot treat it. It'll keep all of the original skin. If it is not budging easily, you can use a more directional tool such as a toothpick or porcupine quill.

ldhair

I would give it an acetone bath. No rubbing of any kind.

Barberian

@jacrispies said:
If you wanted to conserve it, take acetone and a Q-tip and spot treat it. It'll keep all of the original skin. If it is not budging easily, you can use a more directional tool such as a toothpick or porcupine quill.

Cat whiskers also work well.

Crypto

@jacrispies said:
If you wanted to conserve it, take acetone and a Q-tip and spot treat it. It'll keep all of the original skin. If it is not budging easily, you can use a more directional tool such as a toothpick or porcupine quill.

It will not keep any of its original skin, it will keep its current toning. There is a difference. It should also be noted if there is active pvc in one spot there is a good chance the rest of the coin has inactive pvc on it as well and the whole coin should be treated. PVC should come right off with a qtip. Verdigris can be stubborn but it is highly unlikely that is that.

Skin is built up by layers of environmental contaminants that often influence toning but also stunts it as well depending on what it is and how much. Example: oils block air. Dissolvents will strip any and all organic surface layers away down to bare metal. The toning will remain as it’s not soluble but the influences and protections of the skin will no longer be there going forward.

That coin will look different after conservation. I would personally sell it and buy a different one.

jacrispies

@Crypto said:

@jacrispies said:
If you wanted to conserve it, take acetone and a Q-tip and spot treat it. It'll keep all of the original skin. If it is not budging easily, you can use a more directional tool such as a toothpick or porcupine quill.

It will not keep any of its original skin, it will keep its current toning. There is a difference. It should also be noted if there is active pvc in one spot there is a good chance the rest of the coin has inactive pvc on it as well and the whole coin should be treated. PVC should come right off with a qtip. Verdigris can be stubborn but it is highly unlikely that is that.

Skin is built up by layers of environmental contaminants that often influence toning but also stunts it as well depending on what it is and how much. Example: oils block air. Dissolvents will strip any and all organic surface layers away down to bare metal. The toning will remain as it’s not soluble but the influences and protections of the skin will no longer be there going forward.

That coin will look different after conservation. I would personally sell it and buy a different one.

I am aware what original skin means. I collect this series.

The original skin on the coin will go unchanged if you only conserve two tiny feathers on the eagle's wing. Perhaps you are thinking if you send in the coin to a TPG for conservation or dip the entire coin in acetone. In that case, I agree, the original skin will leave because the entire coin would be treated. But global conservation is unnecessary and the coin can be spot treated as I mentioned before.

skier07

I would not crack the coin out and risk a details grade.

If you don’t like the coin sell it as is and buy one already in a PCGS holder.

Crypto

@jacrispies said:

@Crypto said:

@jacrispies said:
If you wanted to conserve it, take acetone and a Q-tip and spot treat it. It'll keep all of the original skin. If it is not budging easily, you can use a more directional tool such as a toothpick or porcupine quill.

It will not keep any of its original skin, it will keep its current toning. There is a difference. It should also be noted if there is active pvc in one spot there is a good chance the rest of the coin has inactive pvc on it as well and the whole coin should be treated. PVC should come right off with a qtip. Verdigris can be stubborn but it is highly unlikely that is that.

Skin is built up by layers of environmental contaminants that often influence toning but also stunts it as well depending on what it is and how much. Example: oils block air. Dissolvents will strip any and all organic surface layers away down to bare metal. The toning will remain as it’s not soluble but the influences and protections of the skin will no longer be there going forward.

That coin will look different after conservation. I would personally sell it and buy a different one.

I am aware what original skin means. I collect this series.

The original skin on the coin will go unchanged if you only conserve two tiny feathers on the eagle's wing. Perhaps you are thinking if you send in the coin to a TPG for conservation or dip the entire coin in acetone. In that case, I agree, the original skin will leave because the entire coin would be treated. But global conservation is unnecessary and the coin can be spot treated as I mentioned before.

We are saying the same thing but if there is active in the feathers there is pvc on the fields almost certainly that should be treated as well if one goes to the hassle of cracking it.

My post was basically getting to the calculus that @skier07 said, cracking it & treating it isn’t worth it. Sell and buy a better one, I carry a flashlight to hit coins at an angle to look for PVC at shows to avoid this issue.

constitutional_halve

The patina and original skin on this coin is so deep. Luster underneath, with shifting fields of color and depth as you roll it..

I think ya'll right, sell and move on.

jacrispies

Or keep it, buy a handful dozen more, and join the bust half nut club (if you haven't already).

Typekat

@constitutional_halve said:
The patina and original skin on this coin is so deep. Luster underneath, with shifting fields of color and depth as you roll it..

I think ya'll right, sell and move on.

SO, now that you have received dire opinions about the ‘unworthyness’ of this coin, a coin that appears (to me and others) only to have a bit of removable green gunk on it -
What do you want for it?

pursuitofliberty

@constitutional_halve said:
The patina and original skin on this coin is so deep. Luster underneath, with shifting fields of color and depth as you roll it..

I think ya'll right, sell and move on.

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I wasn't going to post, but I think I might.

I think most of the posters are wrong in one sense or another, and you will probably give up a good coin because of their comments.

Kind of like what happens occasionally when a certain entity doesn't approve of a coin, and the buyers get second thoughts and sell because it's not worthy (or whatever they say when a single person decides it isn't good enough for approval).

That, to me, from what I can see, is a worthy AU55 for the grade, originality and look ... and there is no real reason I see to conserve it at all, although @jacrispies has the right idea on how to remove that area of concern, and if done right it won't "strip" the coin.

You seemed enamored with her and in love until this post. Now you look at it differently?

Like @Typekat suggests, if you're going to sell it ... how much?

Crypto

Ehhh nobody is condemning the coin

We all know the feeling when you key in on in imperfection and it affects your enjoyment of said coin which is where the OP seems to be at. The question is what to do next? To crack and treat isn’t monetarily worth it esp considering the risk of a different look (be it spot treatment or whole coin) and then paying to maybe get it back in a holder and playing that game also noting it isn’t likely a PCGS 55 let alone CACG. Spot treatment and having a different looking spot where the smeg was will often draw the spot removed cleaned designation esp on a coin with as many layers of age as that one.

The advice mostly consisted of keep it as is or sell it as cracking is a can of worms with no upside. Which was the advice the op came looking for. I agree completely with you that an opinion shouldn’t derail your love of a coin such as failure to sticker unless it uncovers something the owner didn’t understand or know previously. New information can and should lead to new opinions and when the owners opinion is it has a problem, factoring the options with up and down sides is a critical step.

Someone else may love that coin as it is a love to buy it.

kaz

I was in a similar situation with a 77P Trade Dollar. I spotted a green dot on the rev, contact the seller, who said it was just a spot of verdigris and no
t to worry. I still worried. I cracked it out, gave it the acetone bath, and the spot was gone. ( it was under the ribbon on the left side, below the space between E and PLU)
The result was an overall slight lightening and increase in contrast between the darker and lighter toned areas, due to removal of the thin layer of organics accumulated over the decades. I still like the coin.
before and after photos:

constitutional_halve

@Crypto said:
Ehhh nobody is condemning the coin

The advice mostly consisted of keep it as is or sell it as cracking is a can of worms with no upside. Which was the advice the op came looking for.

Someone else may love that coin as it is a love to buy it.

At the end of the day, MY preference is to have this coin in PCGS plastic. IDGAF about registries or TVs. PCGS is the grading service who uses a metric I prefer and a holder I prefer, that is it.

I don't want crossing and regrading this coin as a PCGS coin to result in a details grade for PVC damage, regardless of the grade they determine.

Hence my questions and potential willingness to sell and move on.

Thanks to the upstanding and knowledgeable members of this sub AND the fact that I am not currently chasing this year/variety, I have come to a conclusion.

The coin is for sale.

Since this is not the place for B&S, interested parties are suggested to PM me.

Morgan13

Nice job with the image. I don't think I would be able to do that.