It's that time of the year - US Mex show is upon us!

TwoKopeiki

Hope to see some of you in Arizona in just a couple of days! I'm beyond excited - are you?

MrEureka

I’m just excited. Not even sure what beyond excited would feel like.

TwoKopeiki

@MrEureka said:
I’m just excited. Not even sure what beyond excited would feel like.

I'll be your guide to this next level of excitement

bidask

This will be a period of relaxation for me .

MrEureka

@bidask said:
This will be a period of relaxation for me .

Does that mean that you’re going or not?

threefifty

Wish I could go, maybe next year! Hope you all have a great time. I am hoping the presentations will be recorded (especially Max Keech's presentation on Suprema Junta issues).

lermish

I joined US Mex, bought plane tickets, and booked a hotel room. I even have a built in excuse for my wife; our son goes to college in Phoenix, so we could make this a visit!

...and then he decided to visit us that weekend and the whole thing went to s***.

Next year.

TheGoonies1985

Wishing you all a great show!!!

TheGoonies1985

If some of us have a want list (and cannot attend) is anyone of you willing to look around for us at the show? Just a few coins in my case. If so please PM me. Would pay via PayPal invoice once the show is done.

bidask

@MrEureka said:

@bidask said:
This will be a period of relaxation for me .

Does that mean that you’re going or not?

Yes I am going
A must show 🤓

coinkat

Safe travels and enjoy the show- some commentary would be appreciated. Have fun

pruebas

Hope you guys are enjoying the first day.

Reports, please!

TheGoonies1985

Any images from the show?

MrEureka

@TheGoonies1985 said:
Any images from the show?

The book sale and the show water cooler!

pruebas

@MrEureka said:

@TheGoonies1985 said:
Any images from the show?

And a snoozing show security guard.

I hope you didn’t bring any valuables!

bidask

TheGoonies1985

Wish it was closer so I could attend.

TwoKopeiki

Man, what a show!

I'll type up a longer post, but this happened:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBSTU-euIdV/?igsh=MWJucXZmazRoOGpoNA==

MrEureka

Getting an early start on tonight’s festivities!

threefifty

Awesome result @TwoKopeiki ! Also, that huge 1812 Durango 8r is amazing, that's the heaviest War of Independence coin I've ever seen! Is it yours? Briggs and Bustos had an great 1813 Chihuahua earlier this year that I think was about 33 grams, which was remarkable enough.

pruebas

@TwoKopeiki said:
Man, what a show!

I'll type up a longer post, but this happened:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBSTU-euIdV/?igsh=MWJucXZmazRoOGpoNA==

Congratulations on an awesome addition to your collection!

Given that the coin would be unique and pricey, couldn't it have been made (counterfeited) with period metal? I haven't seen the coin, so I am just playing devil's advocate here.

I suppose NGC authentication precludes that.

Did you show it to Jay to get him ready for the crossover?

neildrobertson

@MrEureka said:

@TheGoonies1985 said:
Any images from the show?

The book sale and the show water cooler!

Wow. It feels like I'm really there.

TwoKopeiki

@threefifty said:
Awesome result @TwoKopeiki ! Also, that huge 1812 Durango 8r is amazing, that's the heaviest War of Independence coin I've ever seen! Is it yours? Briggs and Bustos had an great 1813 Chihuahua earlier this year that I think was about 33 grams, which was remarkable enough.

Yes, the Durango is now in my collection, courtesy of @MrEureka Neat coin and exactly what you want to see on an XRF in terms of alloy composition

Boosibri

Any other new purchases to share?

bidask

Saw some highlights Eternal collection.

https://www.instagram.com/heritagerarecoins/reel/DAreG6hSoe0/

TheGoonies1985

@bidask said:
Saw some highlights Eternal collection.

https://www.instagram.com/heritagerarecoins/reel/DAreG6hSoe0/

That MS-63 milled 8 reales 1733 is a beauty!!!

pruebas

@TheGoonies1985 said:

@bidask said:
Saw some highlights Eternal collection.

https://www.instagram.com/heritagerarecoins/reel/DAreG6hSoe0/

That MS-63 milled 8 reales 1733 is a beauty!!!

He bought that coin right and will do very well on it. Better photos here:

https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-22OXW/mexico-mexico-city-8-reales-1733-mo-mf-mexico-city

TheGoonies1985

@pruebas said:

@TheGoonies1985 said:

@bidask said:
Saw some highlights Eternal collection.

https://www.instagram.com/heritagerarecoins/reel/DAreG6hSoe0/

That MS-63 milled 8 reales 1733 is a beauty!!!

He bought that coin right and will do very well on it. Better photos here:

https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-22OXW/mexico-mexico-city-8-reales-1733-mo-mf-mexico-city

Seems like he got it before the explosion in value. It should bring a pretty penny at auction.

Byers

Great show! Did some business and had lunch with Andy Lustig.

TheGoonies1985

Anyone buy any coins? Please share images.

pruebas

@TheGoonies1985 said:
Wish it was closer so I could attend.

You would be walking?

TheGoonies1985

@pruebas said:

@TheGoonies1985 said:
Wish it was closer so I could attend.

You would be walking?

Hahaha preferably yes!!!

TwoKopeiki

Picked up this piece, as well. 1813-HJ 8 Reales in NGC AU53. Scarcer assayer combination for this date.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBXtWI3MTwT/?igsh=YTJ6MGt1c253ZGM5

threefifty

Great coin @TwoKopeiki. I passed on an XF45 1813 MoHJ early last year that I thought in the moment was overpriced... after trying to find a better one for 1.5 years I no longer think it is overpriced, lol.

coinkat

@TwoKopeiki

Congrats-well played

TwoKopeiki

@pruebas said:

@TwoKopeiki said:
Man, what a show!

I'll type up a longer post, but this happened:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBSTU-euIdV/?igsh=MWJucXZmazRoOGpoNA==

Congratulations on an awesome addition to your collection!

Given that the coin would be unique and pricey, couldn't it have been made (counterfeited) with period metal? I haven't seen the coin, so I am just playing devil's advocate here.

I suppose NGC authentication precludes that.

Did you show it to Jay to get him ready for the crossover?

Thank you!

I suppose it could be a numismatic counterfeit, but why pick the date and assayer initials not known to exist at the time? The die work (including the edge) if fantastic and if you're able to create dies like that, why not do the 1778-FM or 1783-FM that were already bringing in thousands of dollars in the 80's and avoid the unnecessary scrutiny? It would have also been much easier to just alter the date or the assayer initial, but this coin shows no evidence of either.

The first mention of this coin is 1981 as part of The Money Company auction. The auctioneer back then also skeptical about the originality of it sent the coin first to IAPN and then Ferran Calico in Spain. Both authorities on counterfeits and Spanish colonial issues. Both signed off on the coin being authentic after performing tests (I assume Specific Gravity, overlays, edge validation).

TwoKopeiki

@coinkat said:
@TwoKopeiki

Congrats-well played

Thank you!

pruebas

@TwoKopeiki said:

@pruebas said:

@TwoKopeiki said:
Man, what a show!

I'll type up a longer post, but this happened:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBSTU-euIdV/?igsh=MWJucXZmazRoOGpoNA==

Congratulations on an awesome addition to your collection!

Given that the coin would be unique and pricey, couldn't it have been made (counterfeited) with period metal? I haven't seen the coin, so I am just playing devil's advocate here.

I suppose NGC authentication precludes that.

Did you show it to Jay to get him ready for the crossover?

Thank you!

I suppose it could be a numismatic counterfeit, but why pick the date and assayer initials not known to exist at the time? The die work (including the edge) if fantastic and if you're able to create dies like that, why not do the 1778-FM or 1783-FM that were already bringing in thousands of dollars in the 80's and avoid the unnecessary scrutiny? It would have also been much easier to just alter the date or the assayer initial, but this coin shows no evidence of either.

The first mention of this coin is 1981 as part of The Money Company auction. The auctioneer back then also skeptical about the originality of it sent the coin first to IAPN and then Ferran Calico in Spain. Both authorities on counterfeits and Spanish colonial issues. Both signed off on the coin being authentic after performing tests (I assume Specific Gravity, overlays, edge validation).

@TwoKopeiki I'm not sure if you know, but The Money Company (Richard Nelson) was very active in Asia starting in the late 1970s and continuing into the 1990s. He had an office in Hong Kong and auctions in Tokyo and Hong Kong. I have a few of his old catalogs somewhere. When I looked at his old catalogs, I remember he had a few cool Mexican patterns over the years too (long before I started collecting them). He also got some cool things out of the Philippines. Those were the days and Asia was the place to find stuff like that, so I am not surprised that's where it came from.

In 2007, he told me he was losing his eyesight and he and his family were selling off his remaining collection/inventory on eBay (as "jetonex88"). I bought stuff from him on eBay until 2012. He seems to be forgotten by numismatists as someone in 2013 asked about him in the "eSylum," but no one ever responded with information. If he is still alive, you might be able to ask him about the details of the find. (Ron Gillio at Stacks might know his whereabouts. Ron was active in Asia about the same time.)

TwoKopeiki

@pruebas said:

@TwoKopeiki said:

@pruebas said:

@TwoKopeiki said:
Man, what a show!

I'll type up a longer post, but this happened:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBSTU-euIdV/?igsh=MWJucXZmazRoOGpoNA==

Congratulations on an awesome addition to your collection!

Given that the coin would be unique and pricey, couldn't it have been made (counterfeited) with period metal? I haven't seen the coin, so I am just playing devil's advocate here.

I suppose NGC authentication precludes that.

Did you show it to Jay to get him ready for the crossover?

Thank you!

I suppose it could be a numismatic counterfeit, but why pick the date and assayer initials not known to exist at the time? The die work (including the edge) if fantastic and if you're able to create dies like that, why not do the 1778-FM or 1783-FM that were already bringing in thousands of dollars in the 80's and avoid the unnecessary scrutiny? It would have also been much easier to just alter the date or the assayer initial, but this coin shows no evidence of either.

The first mention of this coin is 1981 as part of The Money Company auction. The auctioneer back then also skeptical about the originality of it sent the coin first to IAPN and then Ferran Calico in Spain. Both authorities on counterfeits and Spanish colonial issues. Both signed off on the coin being authentic after performing tests (I assume Specific Gravity, overlays, edge validation).

@TwoKopeiki I'm not sure if you know, but The Money Company (Richard Nelson) was very active in Asia starting in the late 1970s and continuing into the 1990s. He had an office in Hong Kong and auctions in Tokyo and Hong Kong. I have a few of his old catalogs somewhere. When I looked at his old catalogs, I remember he had a few cool Mexican patterns over the years too (long before I started collecting them). He also got some cool things out of the Philippines. Those were the days and Asia was the place to find stuff like that, so I am not surprised that's where it came from.

In 2007, he told me he was losing his eyesight and he and his family were selling off his remaining collection/inventory on eBay (as "jetonex88"). I bought stuff from him on eBay until 2012. He seems to be forgotten by numismatists as someone in 2013 asked about him in the "eSylum," but no one ever responded with information. If he is still alive, you might be able to ask him about the details of the find. (Ron Gillio at Stacks might know his whereabouts. Ron was active in Asia about the same time.)

@pruebas - thanks for the additional info. I've been trying to find more information on Richard Nelson using the internet and have only found the eSylum ask. I'll reach out to Ron and let you know if anything comes out of that thread.