1957 Double mint set

spyglassdesign

Hello,

I am trying to confirm some details on the 1957 double mint set. The one I have in my possession is in cellophane wrappers with a manilla envelope but without the boards they came with. Can anyone confirm how they came? IE what the OGP was?

I've got people claiming they are unc sets (I can't find any proof of unc sets in 1957), and others claim only the proof sets come in cellophane.

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks!

MFeld

Images might help.

spyglassdesign

MFeld

@spyglassdesign said:

Interesting! I haven’t seen an original 1957 Mint set in that type of packaging. But unless someone knows that can’t be the case, I’m open to the possibility.

OAKSTAR

Wow!! That is crazy!! So it use to look something like this?

LanLord

That’s weird, I thought those were stopped in 55. I think about midway through the year they changed to boards.

Not sure about this unless someone thought it might save space?

spyglassdesign

@OAKSTAR said:
Wow!! That is crazy!! So it use to look something like?

That's a proof set. These are not proofs. What's interesting is there are 2 coins in each "pouch" of sorts. I wonder if someone repackaged them after opening them? They are date and mm appropriate so I don't have any reason to believe they weren't from a 1957 double mint set. I'm just unsure of packaging.

OAKSTAR

@spyglassdesign - Yes. 🥴

spyglassdesign

@OAKSTAR said:
@spyglassdesign - Yes. 🥴

yes what? repackaged or original?

OAKSTAR

Can we see the other side of these two packages?

OAKSTAR

@spyglassdesign said:

@OAKSTAR said:
@spyglassdesign - Yes. 🥴

yes what? repackaged or original?

I don't know. I posted a proof set, that's what I was referring to.

spyglassdesign

@OAKSTAR said:
Can we see the other side of these two packages?

jfriedm56

@spyglassdesign, your “set” is a made up set, not original from the US Mint. Here is an official original US Mint double uncirculated mint set with envelope. Looks like someone put uncirculated (?) coins in cellophane holders that originally held earlier proof set. 1936-1942 and then again 1950- 1954.

OAKSTAR

I'm stumped! It looks like original packaging that sure wasn't stored properly!

spyglassdesign

@OAKSTAR said:
I'm stumped! It looks like original packaging that sure wasn't stored properly!

The odd thing is that there are 2 coins in each pouch. That alone is pulling up a red flag.

OAKSTAR

I'm in @jfriedm56's column.

jfriedm56

Double uncirculated sets never came in cellophane. They came unprotected in open cardboard which accounts for the vivid colors on all of these original sets. If the silver coins are bright white and the cents bright orange copper, they didn’t come from original sets. Here’s an example from 1956 of the colors

Bochiman

From the looks, like jfriedm56 said, they are a re-packaged group of mint set coins. Not original mint set packaging either.

spyglassdesign

@Bochiman said:
From the looks, like jfriedm56 said, they are a re-packaged group of mint set coins. Not original mint set packaging either.

I'm assuming there is no way to identify a mint set coin from an unc coin...

MFeld

@jfriedm56 said:
@spyglassdesign, your “set” is a made up set, not original from the US Mint. Here is an official original US Mint double uncirculated mint set with envelope. Looks like someone put uncirculated (?) coins in cellophane holders that originally held earlier proof set. 1936-1942 and then again 1950- 1954.

You don’t think it’s possible that someone at the Mint messed up or had to make the best of a temporary problem?

Bochiman

@spyglassdesign said:

@Bochiman said:
From the looks, like jfriedm56 said, they are a re-packaged group of mint set coins. Not original mint set packaging either.

I'm assuming there is no way to identify a mint set coin from an unc coin...

Pretty much.

TomB

This is a repackaged group of coins. I can't prove it, but unless and until someone can prove otherwise, it is a repackaged group of coins.

jfriedm56

@MFeld said:

@jfriedm56 said:
@spyglassdesign, your “set” is a made up set, not original from the US Mint. Here is an official original US Mint double uncirculated mint set with envelope. Looks like someone put uncirculated (?) coins in cellophane holders that originally held earlier proof set. 1936-1942 and then again 1950- 1954.

You don’t think it’s possible that someone at the Mint messed up or had to make the best of a temporary problem?

No sir. Uncirculated double mint sets were never issued in cellophane. Only in cardboard holders with pink or green paper covering the coins.

MFeld

@jfriedm56 said:

@MFeld said:

@jfriedm56 said:
@spyglassdesign, your “set” is a made up set, not original from the US Mint. Here is an official original US Mint double uncirculated mint set with envelope. Looks like someone put uncirculated (?) coins in cellophane holders that originally held earlier proof set. 1936-1942 and then again 1950- 1954.

You don’t think it’s possible that someone at the Mint messed up or had to make the best of a temporary problem?

No sir. Uncirculated double mint sets were never issued in cellophane. Only in cardboard holders with pink or green paper covering the coins.

Thank you. I’m very familiar with the double mint sets and their packaging. I was just day-dreaming about a one-off exception, due to an unknown reason.

spyglassdesign

Thanks for the help guys!

AUandAG

I've had proof sets in cellos and they were always stapled. I don't see any staples on your cellos. So, I'm saying a made of set after they left the mint.
bob

jfriedm56

@AUandAG, if you are referring to earlier proof sets then yes. The proof sets from 1950-to mid 1955 were assembled with a staple like this in individual cellophane envelopes wrapped in tissue paper into a cardboard box.

jfriedm56

@AUandAG said:
I've had proof sets in cellos and they were always stapled. I don't see any staples on your cellos. So, I'm saying a made of set after they left the mint.
bob

Looking closely at the OPs picture, there is a staple in the top left of the cellophane. These are obviously put together sets by someone randomly with circulation coins.

Creg

Nice to learn! Thanks.

Typekat

@spyglassdesign

Yes, most likely that IS an original 1957 double mint set obtained from the Mint. But repackaged by its owner.

My guess is that the collector had seen his prior year mint sets tarnish over time from storage in the cardboard holders, and took the precaution of switching out the packaging.

Back then, people liked their shiny silver coins to stay that way!

jfriedm56

@Typekat said:
@spyglassdesign

Yes, most likely that IS an original 1957 double mint set obtained from the Mint. But repackaged by its owner.

My guess is that the collector had seen his prior year mint sets tarnish over time from storage in the cardboard holders, and took the precaution of switching out the packaging.

Back then, people liked their shiny silver coins to stay that way!

Absolutely don’t think so. Just accumulated coins regrouped. @spyglassdesign cut these open and show us those coins.

spyglassdesign

@jfriedm56 said:

@Typekat said:
@spyglassdesign

Yes, most likely that IS an original 1957 double mint set obtained from the Mint. But repackaged by its owner.

My guess is that the collector had seen his prior year mint sets tarnish over time from storage in the cardboard holders, and took the precaution of switching out the packaging.

Back then, people liked their shiny silver coins to stay that way!

Absolutely don’t think so. Just accumulated coins regrouped. @spyglassdesign cut these open and show us those coins.

If you want to see anything close up let me know. I think a couple of the Jefferson could be fs... One possible fbl on one of the Franklin's but it needs conserved too.

jfriedm56

Well at least you have $3.40 in 90% silver.

spyglassdesign

@jfriedm56 said:
Well at least you have $3.40 in 90% silver.

$45.88 in melt in the halves alone lol (according to NGC)

MFeld

@spyglassdesign said:

@jfriedm56 said:
Well at least you have $3.40 in 90% silver.

$45.88 in melt in the halves alone lol (according to NGC)

He meant $3.40 face value in silver.

OAKSTAR

What do you think, an acetone bath and a quick dip for the silver??

Typekat

Yes, a blooming mixed bag there, ain’t it?

spyglassdesign

@OAKSTAR said:
What do you think, an acetone bath and a quick dip for the silver??

Yeah I think a little acetone will do some of them good!

7Jaguars

On the silver and copper nickel, please go with the clear ammonia "dip" with plenty of rinse. I think you will see a very nice result....Have written on this before...

spyglassdesign

@7Jaguars said:
On the silver and copper nickel, please go with the clear ammonia "dip" with plenty of rinse. I think you will see a very nice result....Have written on this before...

Thanks for the tip!