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Can Anyone Who Knows More Than me Look at This and Tell me if it is a Fake?

CRHer700CRHer700 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited September 19, 2024 2:00PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Not that I am looking to buy it. I just thought that the wear seemed off and wanted to see other people's comments.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/226359302332

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,142 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gut feeling is genuine, horribly abused, but I don't know that I could ever be certain even with it in hand.

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,982 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What is interesting is the seller of the above dime is a Capt and the first response to this thread is a Capt.

    Now, moving on. . . yes... it is genuine and if you are truly brave enough, check out the Capt (seller's) Indian cents.

    peacockcoins

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,132 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In that condition, authentication can't be done. Send it to any grading service and they will return it in a body bag with a note that authenticity can't be determined.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I vote genuine. Heavily worn Seated half dimes - weakly struck ones, in particular - can look quite odd.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it's genuine.

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,314 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Likely genuine, but can’t tell for sure.

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  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I vote genuine also , just smoothed over something terrible

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,132 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    I vote genuine. Heavily worn Seated half dimes - weakly struck ones, in particular - can look quite odd.

    When you were working at NGC as a professional grader, would NGC have slabbed this coin and guaranteed its authenticity?

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  • DocBenjaminDocBenjamin Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:
    What is interesting is the seller of the above dime is a Capt and the first response to this thread is a Capt.

    Now, moving on. . . yes... it is genuine and if you are truly brave enough, check out the Capt (seller's) Indian cents.

    Captains and kings!

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @MFeld said:
    I vote genuine. Heavily worn Seated half dimes - weakly struck ones, in particular - can look quite odd.

    When you were working at NGC as a professional grader, would NGC have slabbed this coin and guaranteed its authenticity?

    Sorry, I really have no way of knowing the answer to your question.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 20, 2024 2:41AM

    @CRHer700 said:
    Not that I am looking to buy it. I just thought that the wear seemed off and wanted to see other people's comments.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/226359302332

    It's a fake! Run Forrest, run!

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  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dryer coin? Wait, did they have clothes dryers in 1841?

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,132 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BStrauss3 said:
    Dryer coin? Wait, did they have clothes dryers in 1841?

    They had wind and solar powered clothes dryers. They also had wind powered ships back then. ;)

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  • CregCreg Posts: 476 ✭✭✭✭

    @BStrauss3 said:
    Dryer coin? Wait, did they have clothes dryers in 1841?

    Clotheslines did not do that.

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,172 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When I saw these, my first thought was cast.

    Here's one of my cast.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • CRHer700CRHer700 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BStrauss3 said:
    Dryer coin? Wait, did they have clothes dryers in 1841?

    That was my first thought, and also I thought that an 1841 dryer coin is nuts. I then thought that it kind of looked cast, because it has an almost completely flat Lady Liberty, but still appears to have significant relief. The rims are full as well.

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  • jacrispiesjacrispies Posts: 929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I believe it is genuine, and it has the appearance of a pocket piece. Or perhaps high speed whizzed with high friction and heat that blurred all the devices, then worn slightly to smooth everything out. There sure are a lot of circular hairlines.

    @OAKSTAR Casting bubbles do not displace metal. You can see the raised material around the two central marks that indicate they were not made during the casting or striking process.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,142 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A specific Gravity test would tell you if it was silver or not. A contemporary counterfeit would not have been made in silver.

    If silver, the weight would be about 5-6% less than the standard weight.

    If it passes those two tests, it is probably genuine. That said, it is still a candidate for a "No Decision" ruling on the grounds that it would be so hard to prove anything else.

    TD

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,172 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jacrispies said:

    >

    @OAKSTAR Casting bubbles do not displace metal. You can see the raised material around the two central marks that indicate they were not made during the casting or striking process.

    Are all these casting bubbles?

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,132 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @jacrispies said:

    >

    @OAKSTAR Casting bubbles do not displace metal. You can see the raised material around the two central marks that indicate they were not made during the casting or striking process.

    Are all these casting bubbles?

    That pitting and porosity looks more like corrosion from being buried or from being exposed to saltwater as in a sea salvaged coin.

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  • jacrispiesjacrispies Posts: 929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @jacrispies said:

    >

    @OAKSTAR Casting bubbles do not displace metal. You can see the raised material around the two central marks that indicate they were not made during the casting or striking process.

    Are all these casting bubbles?

    Can't make any conclusions based on those blurry photos.

    "But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you" Matthew 6:33. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.
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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,172 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jacrispies said:

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @jacrispies said:

    >

    @OAKSTAR Casting bubbles do not displace metal. You can see the raised material around the two central marks that indicate they were not made during the casting or striking process.

    Are all these casting bubbles?

    Can't make any conclusions based on those blurry photos.

    Maybe this will help.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • jacrispiesjacrispies Posts: 929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR I thought we were talking about the OPs coin. Nobody had any questions about your counterfeit.

    "But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you" Matthew 6:33. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.
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    JRCS #1606

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,172 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 20, 2024 11:26AM

    @jacrispies - Now there's an intelligent answer!! This discussion and example will hopefully help the OP with an answer, obviously not you!

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,172 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 20, 2024 10:52AM

    Cleanup on aisle 3! 🤣 😂

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

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