Has Anyone Followed the Recently Discovered 1961 Wilt Chamberlain RC SGC-10…

mintonlypls

This card was recently found in MN…whose family owned a small grocery store …sent to SGC and received a 10. A collector contacted SGC…and a private transaction for the card went down for $1.7 million.

pdoidoi

@mintonlypls said:
This card was recently found in MN…whose family owned a small grocery store …sent to SGC and received a 10. A collector contacted SGC…and a private transaction for the card went down for $1.7 million.

Do you know if there are any pictures of this card ?

craig44

wow, that is a serious card!!! I would love to see an image of it.

UFFDAH

Cakes

mintonlypls, thanks for all the great high end content! Some real beauties you post.

80sOPC

Insane card, my understanding is it is the best known copy. The PSA 10s were graded ages ago.

ndleo

I have the 1961 Wilt in a PSA 7. Even though I mainly collect FB, the wilt is one of my favorite cards

The card is from an era when rookie card meant something.

mintonlypls

The Chamberlain has neon color…
eye-popping and so fresh-looking.

shagrotn77

As crazy as it sounds, I think $1.7 million is a bargain for that beauty.

Autophagy

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/kare11-extras/how-a-crosby-man-facilitated-the-highest-vintage-basketball-card-sale-of-all-time/89-95e0e9da-4c35-425d-8d82-6dd855fe2f5c

mintonlypls

If I were the owner of this card…I would have consigned it to auction. I think it could have exceeded $1.7 million.

handyman

but he/she saved 20+% auction fees.

hyperchipper09

All these finds and all I ever find in a cabinet is a pack of Tums with a 1984 expiration date and a cracked 1970's Saturday Evening Post glass from Arby's
Little more serious in Abingdon Va in 1987 there was a fella at a flea market who had RC's of Wilt, Kareem, Dr J. couple others. Nothing like the SGC 10 Wilt , well loved cards, but I still kinda kick myself for passing on them.

82FootballWaxMemorys

@handyman said:
but he/she saved 20+% auction fees.

On item like that you can probably arrange for no fees plus 5% of the buyers fees.

BLUEJAYWAY

@hyperchipper09 said:
All these finds and all I ever find in a cabinet is a pack of Tums with a 1984 expiration date and a cracked 1970's Saturday Evening Post glass from Arby's
Little more serious in Abingdon Va in 1987 there was a fella at a flea market who had RC's of Wilt, Kareem, Dr J. couple others. Nothing like the SGC 10 Wilt , well loved cards, but I still kinda kick myself for passing on them.

We've all done this a time or two. Would of,should of, could of. So you are not alone.

BLUEJAYWAY

Card presents well in the black holder.

brad31

Saved how much on grading fees at $15 vs thousands for PSA?. Doesn’t seem like anyone cares it is in SGC. I am slabnostic but shocked at the strides SGC has made in postwar vintage. Cards in SGC holders were very prevalent at The National. First time in years half my buys were in SGC.

RufussCkingston

Grading fee should have been $3750 at SGC, not $15, but still cheaper than $8k at PSA.

brad31

My bad I was way off on the fee.

Estil

Shouldn't the Wilt RC rather than the Fleer Jordan RC be the 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle of basketball?

brad31

@Estil said:
Shouldn't the Wilt RC rather than the Fleer Jordan RC be the 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle of basketball?

It clearly is. Neither Fleer nor Star Jordans go for $1.6MM.

RufussCkingston

@Estil said:
Shouldn't the Wilt RC rather than the Fleer Jordan RC be the 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle of basketball?

Kind of two different categories. You have iconic GOAT's like Jordan and Gretzky, which are more "recent". Then you have the iconic old cards of older superstars, like say Howe, Orr, West, Wilt, Russell, Mays, Mantle etc, which are way harder to come by, especially in top condition....

Estil

@RufussCkingston said:

@Estil said:
Shouldn't the Wilt RC rather than the Fleer Jordan RC be the 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle of basketball?

Kind of two different categories. You have iconic GOAT's like Jordan and Gretzky, which are more "recent". Then you have the iconic old cards of older superstars, like say Howe, Orr, West, Wilt, Russell, Mays, Mantle etc, which are way harder to come by, especially in top condition....

Wilt is the real "GOAT". At one time he held nearly every record like Gretzky and on many occasions Wilt "broke the game" that the rules had to be changed to "nerf" him (to borrow a couple of video game terms). For example, he caused offensive goaltending to be outlawed, widening the lane (for the second time), three second rule, and even banning trying to dunk a free throw...and Wilt wouldn't have needed a running start!

Estil

@brad31 said:

@Estil said:
Shouldn't the Wilt RC rather than the Fleer Jordan RC be the 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle of basketball?

It clearly is. Neither Fleer nor Star Jordans go for $1.6MM.

Obviously those are much more plentiful to find and come from a time when things like binder/pages, card holders, and so on were readily available and used.

BBBrkrr

You could make the argument Russell is the man. Both are cool. Sort of a Mantle/Mays kind of debate for my taste.

PatriotTrading

I've never seen a better Wilt Chamberlain and that includes modern cards. If there is still stack of these 61's at home, wow. But yeah, could you blame anyone for taking life-changing money up front? All debt paid off for two families right now. No waiting months and months.

brad31

@PatriotTrading said:
I've never seen a better Wilt Chamberlain and that includes modern cards. If there is still stack of these 61's at home, wow. But yeah, could you blame anyone for taking life-changing money up front? All debt paid off for two families right now. No waiting months and months.

And no risk of no payment and waiting longer like the ‘79 OPC Gretzky case. Didn’t follow that one to the end so maybe the guy decided to pay.

brad31

This pic was in JunkWaxHero’s newsletter. There are 3 PSA 10s sales are too old for VCP to have images but here is the SGC next to one of them.

Cakes

Based on the fact that the grading standards have changed/tightened that PSA 10 would be lucky to get a PSA 9 if cracked and resubbed.

JoeBanzai

@BBBrkrr said:
You could make the argument Russell is the man. Both are cool. Sort of a Mantle/Mays kind of debate for my taste.

Ridiculous. Russell's rebounding was right there with Wilt's but Chamberlain scored TWICE AS MANY points per game.

Ahmanfan

That SGC 10 is head and shoulders above that PSA 10.

mintonlypls

The color is bolder and brighter on the SGC than on the PSA…also left-to-right centering is better on the SGC vs PSA.

BBBrkrr

@JoeBanzai said:

@BBBrkrr said:
You could make the argument Russell is the man. Both are cool. Sort of a Mantle/Mays kind of debate for my taste.

Ridiculous. Russell's rebounding was right there with Wilt's but Chamberlain scored TWICE AS MANY points per game.

I wouldn't call it ridiculous if you compare championships. In sports the number of titles is the ultimate goal. Just ask Charles Barkley or Patrick Ewing.

ElMagoStrikeZone

So the sales price was slightly higher than the legendary number of his female acquaintances.

JoeBanzai

@BBBrkrr said:

@JoeBanzai said:

@BBBrkrr said:
You could make the argument Russell is the man. Both are cool. Sort of a Mantle/Mays kind of debate for my taste.

Ridiculous. Russell's rebounding was right there with Wilt's but Chamberlain scored TWICE AS MANY points per game.

I wouldn't call it ridiculous if you compare championships. In sports the number of titles is the ultimate goal. Just ask Charles Barkley or Patrick Ewing.

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Yes, Russell played on better teams. He was nowhere near the player Wilt was.
No
Where
Near.

BBBrkrr

This is why I don't argue about what player is better, worse, etc... I just mentioned that you could make the argument, and there's enough THERE there to make a good argument.

At the end of the day I don't care either way, but I like that you can.

hyperchipper09

I joke around a lot but that is a seriously beautiful Wilt RC. SGC case makes it pop also.

JoeBanzai

@BBBrkrr said:
This is why I don't argue about what player is better, worse, etc... I just mentioned that you could make the argument, and there's enough THERE there to make a good argument.

At the end of the day I don't care either way, but I like that you can.

Sorry, there's not.

I can see arguing Jordan and to a lesser degree Bryant and James, but Russell didn't score enough to be in the GOAT discussion.

bgr

GOAT? Greatest Of All sTatistics?

For individual statistical greatness Chamberlain stands alone.
As a Champion though, Russell. I can't see past 11 rings in 12 years.

I can see good arguments for both sides.

JoeBanzai

@bgr said:
GOAT? Greatest Of All sTatistics?

For individual statistical greatness Chamberlain stands alone.
As a Champion though, Russell. I can't see past 11 rings in 12 years.

I can see good arguments for both sides.

Two totally separate comparisons.

Chamberlain dwarfs Russell individually!

The other guys they played with means nothing in comparing the two players.

Celtics TEAMS were awesome, much better than most of the teams Wilt played on.

BBBrkrr

@JoeBanzai said:

@bgr said:
GOAT? Greatest Of All sTatistics?

For individual statistical greatness Chamberlain stands alone.
As a Champion though, Russell. I can't see past 11 rings in 12 years.

I can see good arguments for both sides.

Two totally separate comparisons.

Chamberlain dwarfs Russell individually!

The other guys they played with means nothing in comparing the two players.

Celtics TEAMS were awesome, much better than most of the teams Wilt played on.

So, you're saying Russ made his players better and Wilt didn't?

Just kidding you, man.

brad31

This thread is in danger of devolving into a series of posts about why Bobby Orr is better than Chamberlain, Russell AND GRETZKY!

JoeBanzai

@brad31 said:
This thread is in danger of devolving into a series of posts about why Bobby Orr is better than Chamberlain, Russell AND GRETZKY!

I thought everyone knew that! ;-)

handyman

What if this was another Al Rosen situation where they found a full case(1952 Topps) and busted it all. But BK this time. I mean these look pack fresh like SGC said. I wonder how many cards where found.

erikthredd

Looks like this Wilt got crossed to a PSA 10.

https://x.com/cllctMedia/status/1844793418771210301

mintonlypls

Wow…will PSA cross recently SGC graded cards straight to PSA since the companies are now joined at the hip?

brad31

Glad they didn’t pull the we are the superior grading company it is a 9 crap. If that card is not a 10 then grades should stop at 9. Expensive to cross it over - think of total grading fees now that the mothership got paid for it to be graded by SGC and then by PSA. This has to be their ideal scenario.

ndleo

This is one of the great marketing moves in hobby history. Bravo!

ElMagoStrikeZone

82FootballWaxMemorys

Be nice if the SGC slab could have the PSA flip. A possible and IMHO great cross-over promotion option now that its possible to offer one.

Tabe

@bgr said:
GOAT? Greatest Of All sTatistics?

For individual statistical greatness Chamberlain stands alone.
As a Champion though, Russell. I can't see past 11 rings in 12 years.

I can see good arguments for both sides.

Why does no one ever make this argument in favor of Sam Jones?