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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,097 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lermish

    Decent example- better than most.

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  • MizzouMizzou Posts: 509 ✭✭✭✭

    Have you ever taken a handful of pocket change and thrown it against your glockenspiel ?

    Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinkat said:
    @lermish

    Decent example- better than most.

    That seems like a rather subdued reaction to a coin that appears to be so much more appealing than the original subject coin of this thread, which you defended so strongly.😉

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,097 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld

    Perhaps you can explain what wax rhaposdically means…

    I am one of four thus far that gave the coin a “like”. I see the most probable PCGS grade as 45. My comments were limited to 5 words… short and to the point which I suspect many here appreciate…. Especially from me.

    I think your comments about my defense of the coin are misplaced. I believe that I wrote the coin should not have straight graded. I also wrote that the only reason this thread existed is because it received a straight grade. Seems there were few here that acknowledged the COIN instead of the TPG grade. PCGS graded the coin a 53. I suspect the obverse hit likely happened in transit shortly after it left the mint. It really is a reasonable example that survived even though it’s condition was compromised. And solely from the images, I am not willing to grant an original surfaces designation. But it really seems the coin may possess so much more if the surfaces have not been enhanced in an effort to obtain a higher TPG. The coin that is the subject of this thread never received ANY CONSIDERATION other than the hit and the straight grade. My points were quite simple. My post was an effort to take the discussion away from a TPG judgment call and in a direction deserving of a probable unmolested better date No Motto $10 gold. How many truly original and unmolested 1857-s $10 Libs survived? Or is that no longer part of the equation that matters? Maybe the judgment call considered factors that are rarely seen which added to grade outcome that failed to satisfy anyone.

    Your follow up really makes it abundantly clear that you just plain missed or chose to ignore the points of my commentary. And that is your choice.

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  • RobertScotLoverRobertScotLover Posts: 943 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Isn't this the result of the possible case of extremely inexperienced graders limited to spending 2 seconds per coin. I too missed the scratch at first glance, confusing it with the base of the head piece

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinkat said:
    @MFeld

    Perhaps you can explain what wax rhaposdically means…

    I am one of four thus far that gave the coin a “like”. I see the most probable PCGS grade as 45. My comments were limited to 5 words… short and to the point which I suspect many here appreciate…. Especially from me.

    I think your comments about my defense of the coin are misplaced. I believe that I wrote the coin should not have straight graded. I also wrote that the only reason this thread existed is because it received a straight grade. Seems there were few here that acknowledged the COIN instead of the TPG grade. PCGS graded the coin a 53. I suspect the obverse hit likely happened in transit shortly after it left the mint. It really is a reasonable example that survived even though it’s condition was compromised. And solely from the images, I am not willing to grant an original surfaces designation. But it really seems the coin may possess so much more if the surfaces have not been enhanced in an effort to obtain a higher TPG. The coin that is the subject of this thread never received ANY CONSIDERATION other than the hit and the straight grade. My points were quite simple. My post was an effort to take the discussion away from a TPG judgment call and in a direction deserving of a probable unmolested better date No Motto $10 gold. How many truly original and unmolested 1857-s $10 Libs survived? Or is that no longer part of the equation that matters? Maybe the judgment call considered factors that are rarely seen which added to grade outcome that failed to satisfy anyone.

    Your follow up really makes it abundantly clear that you just plain missed or chose to ignore the points of my commentary. And that is your choice.

    I didn’t miss or ignore the points of your commentary. Even in your above reply, you stated
    “My post was an effort to take the discussion away from a TPG judgment call and in a direction deserving of a probable unmolested better date No Motto $10 gold. How many truly original and unmolested 1857-s $10 Libs survived?“
    That, alone, was more attention than you devoted to what looks to be a problem-free example.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RobertScotLover said:
    Isn't this the result of the possible case of extremely inexperienced graders limited to spending 2 seconds per coin. I too missed the scratch at first glance, confusing it with the base of the head piece

    Possible? I suppose so. But I think it’s far more likely that it was experienced graders and am extremely confident that they weren’t limited to spending 2 seconds (or for @braddick, 3 seconds 😉) per coin. No need to go to extremes to try to make your point.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,097 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The looks to be problem free example was not the coin that was the initial subject of the thread. And it seems my five words… short and to the point… are more words than what anyone else has contributed to that coin thus far.

    The subject coin had a one dimensional discussion that focused on a severe hit and how awful it was to have received a straight grade from a TPG. Nothing else seems to matter. And that is fine.

    MFeld… it might be best that we just agree to disagree about the subject coin as well as the looks to be problem free coin as well as our respective responses.

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  • MizzouMizzou Posts: 509 ✭✭✭✭

    "wax rhaposdically"

    Who talks like that?

    Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack

  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 3,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Catbert said:

    @coinkat said:
    @MFeld

    Perhaps you can explain what wax rhaposdically means…

    I am one of four thus far that gave the coin a “like”. I see the most probable PCGS grade as 45. My comments were limited to 5 words… short and to the point which I suspect many here appreciate…. Especially from me.

    I think your comments about my defense of the coin are misplaced. I believe that I wrote the coin should not have straight graded. I also wrote that the only reason this thread existed is because it received a straight grade. Seems there were few here that acknowledged the COIN instead of the TPG grade. PCGS graded the coin a 53. I suspect the obverse hit likely happened in transit shortly after it left the mint. It really is a reasonable example that survived even though it’s condition was compromised. And solely from the images, I am not willing to grant an original surfaces designation. But it really seems the coin may possess so much more if the surfaces have not been enhanced in an effort to obtain a higher TPG. The coin that is the subject of this thread never received ANY CONSIDERATION other than the hit and the straight grade. My points were quite simple. My post was an effort to take the discussion away from a TPG judgment call and in a direction deserving of a probable unmolested better date No Motto $10 gold. How many truly original and unmolested 1857-s $10 Libs survived? Or is that no longer part of the equation that matters? Maybe the judgment call considered factors that are rarely seen which added to grade outcome that failed to satisfy anyone.

    Your follow up really makes it abundantly clear that you just plain missed or chose to ignore the points of my commentary. And that is your choice.

    I saw the OP’s thread to be a thread about his surprise at the grade assigned not about the mint in which it was produced or soliciting commentary about what happened in history when it was minted. These could be interesting topics for another thread that you could author and thus avoid criticizing others here who are responding to a grading related thread.

    Ding ding ding.....we have a winner folks. This thread was started in an effort to discuss a grading mishap that resulted in a no-grade ending up in a 53 holder. Any attempt to steer the discussion away from that, and instead, to try to turn it into a historical appreciation thread, is superfluous and futile.

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  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mizzou said:
    "wax rhaposdically"

    Who talks like that?

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @hummingbird_coins said:
    Anyone else think it looks like an eyebrow?

    Looks like a frontal labotomy.

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  • lermishlermish Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mizzou said:
    "wax rhaposdically"

    Who talks like that?

    Someone attempting to subtly and gently make light of coinkat's repeatedly over verbose defense of a pretty gross coin (in a thread about a grading mishap) by using a ludicrously elegant and old fashioned phrase.

    A better question is, who makes note of it twice and isn't bright enough to think it out for themselves but thinks his post is some killer dig?

  • LuxorLuxor Posts: 470 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That doesn't look like a scratch to me.

    Your hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need it.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Luxor said:
    That doesn't look like a scratch to me.

    It doesn’t to me, either - it looks like a gash.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • skier07skier07 Posts: 3,969 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mizzou said:
    "wax rhaposdically"

    Who talks like that?

    Try ChatGPT. I’m not suggesting lermish did.

  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks like something with a sharp edge was dropped on the coin

    It doesnt matter, it's there. Are we posting these misses for a reason other than compiling stats? Not sure what it accomplishes otherwise. Maybe AI can clean these up but we might not want what AI brings to the table. The subjectiveness of grading is a huge deal.

    BTW I think I waxed my car rhapsodically just the other day.

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:
    That makes sense.
    I wonder if over on the NGC forums it isn't the other way around?

    They got forums too?
    I can only imagine… Hey herb have you seen those grotesquely under graded P coins lately? Yea Bob I’ve been buying, cracking, and upgrading them, got 20 more coming today!

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinscratch said:

    @braddick said:
    That makes sense.
    I wonder if over on the NGC forums it isn't the other way around?

    They got forums too?
    I can only imagine… Hey herb have you seen those grotesquely under graded P coins lately? Yea Bob I’ve been buying, cracking, and upgrading them, got 20 more coming today!

    It’s nice to read such obviously unbiased posts. 😉

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,982 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @Coinscratch said:

    @braddick said:
    That makes sense.
    I wonder if over on the NGC forums it isn't the other way around?

    They got forums too?
    I can only imagine… Hey herb have you seen those grotesquely under graded P coins lately? Yea Bob I’ve been buying, cracking, and upgrading them, got 20 more coming today!

    It’s nice to read such obviously unbiased posts. 😉

    Especially from someone who first claims in their post a mock unawareness NGC has forums followed immediately by disparaging remarks regarding such forums.
    If he is going to be rude, pick a lane first:
    Either ignorance, or lack of civility, otherwise he just ends up looking like an idiot.

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  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:

    @MFeld said:

    @Coinscratch said:

    @braddick said:
    That makes sense.
    I wonder if over on the NGC forums it isn't the other way around?

    They got forums too?
    I can only imagine… Hey herb have you seen those grotesquely under graded P coins lately? Yea Bob I’ve been buying, cracking, and upgrading them, got 20 more coming today!

    It’s nice to read such obviously unbiased posts. 😉

    Especially from someone who first claims in their post a mock unawareness NGC has forums followed immediately by disparaging remarks regarding such forums.
    If he is going to be rude, pick a lane first:
    Either ignorance, or lack of civility, otherwise he just ends up looking like an idiot.

    I like driving down the middle of the road and y’all guys are way too serious! I can’t have any fun without being called an idiot. It’s pretty sad when the truth sounds disparaging.

    I couldn’t care less what I end up looking like I’m not here to win anyone’s approval. In fact let me disparage myself this time and tell you I’ll be cracking my P slabs and sending them to CAC for downgrades.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinscratch said:

    @braddick said:

    @MFeld said:

    @Coinscratch said:

    @braddick said:
    That makes sense.
    I wonder if over on the NGC forums it isn't the other way around?

    They got forums too?
    I can only imagine… Hey herb have you seen those grotesquely under graded P coins lately? Yea Bob I’ve been buying, cracking, and upgrading them, got 20 more coming today!

    It’s nice to read such obviously unbiased posts. 😉

    Especially from someone who first claims in their post a mock unawareness NGC has forums followed immediately by disparaging remarks regarding such forums.
    If he is going to be rude, pick a lane first:
    Either ignorance, or lack of civility, otherwise he just ends up looking like an idiot.

    I like driving down the middle of the road and y’all guys are way too serious! I can’t have any fun without being called an idiot. It’s pretty sad when the truth sounds disparaging.

    I couldn’t care less what I end up looking like I’m not here to win anyone’s approval. In fact let me disparage myself this time and tell you I’ll be cracking my P slabs and sending them to CAC for downgrades.

    How many times have you had fun and how many times have you been called an “idiot”? Despite what you said, I’d bet that nunber for the former is much larger than the number for the latter.

    Since you didn't post the truth, we wouldn’t know if it would sound disparaging.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @Coinscratch said:

    @braddick said:

    @MFeld said:

    @Coinscratch said:

    @braddick said:
    That makes sense.
    I wonder if over on the NGC forums it isn't the other way around?

    They got forums too?
    I can only imagine… Hey herb have you seen those grotesquely under graded P coins lately? Yea Bob I’ve been buying, cracking, and upgrading them, got 20 more coming today!

    It’s nice to read such obviously unbiased posts. 😉

    Especially from someone who first claims in their post a mock unawareness NGC has forums followed immediately by disparaging remarks regarding such forums.
    If he is going to be rude, pick a lane first:
    Either ignorance, or lack of civility, otherwise he just ends up looking like an idiot.

    I like driving down the middle of the road and y’all guys are way too serious! I can’t have any fun without being called an idiot. It’s pretty sad when the truth sounds disparaging.

    I couldn’t care less what I end up looking like I’m not here to win anyone’s approval. In fact let me disparage myself this time and tell you I’ll be cracking my P slabs and sending them to CAC for downgrades.

    How many times have you had fun and how many times have you been called an “idiot”? Despite what you said, I’d bet that nunber for the former is much larger than the number for the latter.

    Since you didn't post the truth, we wouldn’t know if it would sound disparaging.

    Great point Mark the numbers are definitely lopsided in my favor. 😁

    As far as the truth is concerned I could first send my lowly moderns to NGC then crack and submit to CAC but for what? All that wasted money just to prove a point and then be banned from some of my favorite people @braddick

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