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Do coins tend to "recycle" on Great Collections?

HallcoHallco Posts: 3,645 ✭✭✭✭✭

I'm watching a certain Morgan Dollar and when I look back at the price history, this same coin has sold multiple times over the last few years. This one has currently has the added VSS Vam attribution this time, but it's the same coin. I don't buy a lot of coins these days and in most cases would not have paid much attention to even notice. Is this a norm now, or is this coin an exception? And for those who will ask....It is a common date Morgan, but it is nicely toned and not in a high grade condition.

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  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,645 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PeakRarities said:
    Yes. A lot of the coins you see in auctions are not consignments, they actually belong to the auction house. The auction house will put it through auction, but if it doesnt reach a certain threshold than the auction house will "buy it back". No money is exchanged, but their system will bid up to that threshold to make sure it doesn't go too cheap.

    They'll wait a little while and try it again. Lather, rinse and repeat until the desired result is achieved. I'm not asserting that is the case with the coin you're speaking of, but it's certainly possible and it would make the most sense.

    I had not considered that as a possibility! :# Thank you for the reply!

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,208 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some people like to flip coins, especially when they buy it for a good price and have a variety attributed and then hopefully sell it for a higher amount.

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  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 18, 2024 9:51PM

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  • Old_CollectorOld_Collector Posts: 136 ✭✭✭

    I've bought and resold a few that I had upgraded later and now the first one was extra, usually works well. Not so good last night on my 1914-D XF45 Lincoln though. :lol:

  • CopperindianCopperindian Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In the past, I’ve bid & won coins I think are undervalued. Almost always, they’re IHC’s or FE’s. In all cases, they are coins I wouldn’t mind keeping if I can’t resell them. I just bought this one at a good price point:

    I’m consigning it for sale with another dealer. It should be a $$$ maker, but if not it’s well worth keeping.

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  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,524 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oih82w8 said:
    Some people like to flip coins, especially when they buy it for a good price and have a variety attributed and then hopefully sell it for a higher amount.

    This is why I always either see the coin in hand or have someone I trust look at it for me. I don't like surprises.

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  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,029 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 19, 2024 11:45AM

    @Hallco did you win the coin? If it’s the one I think you meant, I was bidding too but didn’t win. It went for less than the most recent sale but more than the sales before that.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They all recycle, no worries 👍

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 19, 2024 3:56PM

    I have bought many nice coins from GC. They sell well for me (my table) on the bourse, private investor clients.

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  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,645 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @U1chicago said:
    @Hallco did you win the coin? If it’s the one I think you meant, I was bidding too but didn’t win. It went for less than the most recent sale but more than the sales before that.

    I did not. If we are talking about the same one(and it appears that we are), it had a beautiful color on the reverse.... but the hits on the obverse limited my desire to go much higher than I bid. I wonder if it will be in another auction soon?

  • TimNHTimNH Posts: 149 ✭✭✭

    I see coins on GC come up over and over with the same overpriced starting bid, and they never sell. I've been watching auctions for 1793 copper for years and the same crusty junk keeps getting put out there. I love GC overall but this does clog things up.

  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,460 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The bidding on every coin should start at $0 and not held out to some imaginary yesterday value that's no longer supported by demand. Waiting for some poor sap sucker who's not up-to-date with whatever. Yeah, sure, ka-ging for the auction house and consigner doing everything that's wrong with the hobby but what about the buyer who's getting buried with a very likely overgraded and over-priced POS?

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  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 3,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TimNH said:
    I see coins on GC come up over and over with the same overpriced starting bid, and they never sell. I've been watching auctions for 1793 copper for years and the same crusty junk keeps getting put out there. I love GC overall but this does clog things up.

    I agree, that's one of the few things that I could criticize. You see the same re treads "auction" over and over as the starting bid gradually declines. Many times, this is caused by the consignors unrealistic expectations and too high of a starting bid, then once it goes stale, its stale.

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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 11,970 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @wondercoin said:
    ‘’@TimNH said:
    I see coins on GC come up over and over with the same overpriced starting bid, and they never sell. I've been watching auctions for 1793 copper for years and the same crusty junk keeps getting put out there. I love GC overall but this does clog things up.
    I agree, that's one of the few things that I could criticize. You see the same re treads "auction" over and over as the starting bid gradually declines. Many times, this is caused by the consignors unrealistic expectations and too high of a starting bid, then once it goes stale, its stale.”

    And, it’s not just “crusty junk”. I saw a pattern coin come up earlier in the year that I personally believed was overpriced (as I was the underbidder at the Heritage sale at a much lower price and the coin was reappearing at GC). I made an offer for the coin after it failed to sell that I believed was fair. The consignor obviously passed and that is fine. But, then why allow the coin to come up for auction 3,4,5x (or 8x) times again and again at the exact same price? I totally lost track at how many times the coin has now made reappearances at the exact same opening bid). It makes no sense to me that is in GC’s best interest. Am I missing something?

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,133 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How much does GC charge the consigner when a coin doesn't sell?

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  • Jacques_LoungecoqueJacques_Loungecoque Posts: 733 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with a lot of the posts here that many of the auctions start too high. I’ve seen numerous moderns listed with a starting price higher than that of the same coin in lower grades - based on their own recent selling prices! And no, they didn’t have some kinda amazing eye appeal warranting such a starting price. I just move on like everyone else with those. Start everything at $1.

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  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 3,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @wondercoin

    I don’t think we’re missing anything. Likely, Ian probably tries to go above and beyond to make everyone happy, when the reality is that many collectors are unrealistic and Ian has a tough time telling them “no way, you’re smoking crack.” When they ask to start the bid at 110% of full retail.

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 8, 2024 11:37AM

    They have put in some substantial min bids on the really nice world slabbed low pop material. In past b4 that would win some nice pickoffs get 2-3x cost or more fantastic retail money : profit at shows. One flipped to dealer at show 4x cost. They way undervalued vs the some of the over priced US. Perhaps the consignors not happy lol complained then that change. I don’t have time check past results let alone give a hoot. That’s past history. What I am looking for are wins in that arena can make keystone or more retail money on. Sort of like that reverse play the Texans just ran for 30 plus yards. Buy low / sell high. Not some bid war with some rich US collector on some CAC coin then I buried in it. Now I have trained my assistant to scout for some (coins, currency here and there) - she is real sharp in giving me a list of good yardage plays.

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  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    How much does GC charge the consigner when a coin doesn't sell?

    Zero
    Then the coin goes back up, and if it doesn't sell for 5 times the consigner will get charged another listing fee

    @leothelyon said:
    The bidding on every coin should start at $0 and not held out to some imaginary yesterday value that's no longer supported by demand. Waiting for some poor sap sucker who's not up-to-date with whatever. Yeah, sure, ka-ging for the auction house and consigner doing everything that's wrong with the hobby but what about the buyer who's getting buried with a very likely overgraded and over-priced POS?

    Leo

    Starting coins at $0 is riskey, if nobody sees it!
    If it were your $$$$ coin would you really take a chance of starting it at $0?
    A realistic starting bid, say 80% of value would be wise
    JMO

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 8, 2024 12:15PM

    No way I would want start an item way below MV. Not my style. Those consignors it’s on them if they gave it away rofl. My wins fair and square other bidders could have bid on them.

    Yes as a submitter without a realistic starting bid I would be very averse that risk. As a bidder a low bid start on item on my watch list item staying in range - excited like a U boat skipper following a convoy looking sink lots of tonnage.

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  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 3,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lermish said:
    The subtlety is almost artistic. I wonder if WitterU needs a guest lecturer?

    Hey, you better cut it out! You….you… quote troll! :D

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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,460 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @alaura22 said:

    @PerryHall said:
    How much does GC charge the consigner when a coin doesn't sell?

    Zero
    Then the coin goes back up, and if it doesn't sell for 5 times the consigner will get charged another listing fee

    @leothelyon said:
    The bidding on every coin should start at $0 and not held out to some imaginary yesterday value that's no longer supported by demand. Waiting for some poor sap sucker who's not up-to-date with whatever. Yeah, sure, ka-ging for the auction house and consigner doing everything that's wrong with the hobby but what about the buyer who's getting buried with a very likely overgraded and over-priced POS?

    Leo

    Starting coins at $0 is riskey, if nobody sees it!
    If it were your $$$$ coin would you really take a chance of starting it at $0?
    A realistic starting bid, say 80% of value would be wise
    JMO

    With Jefferson nickels, I see a few sellers doing just that all the time on eBay, starting auctions at $0. But if you have a coin that's is unique or almost then yeah, slap a big number on it and see what happens. But I really think most buyers want to know the demand gauge on most coins. You don't want to be caught outbidding thyself when you're the only one seemingly showing interest in a coin. lol

    Leo

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  • john_nyc1john_nyc1 Posts: 88 ✭✭✭

    So based on the above... if I am bidding against say "bidder 6", bidder 6 could be Great Collections itself?

    Casual collector, mostly Morgans & Peace Dollars.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,200 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @wondercoin said:
    ‘’@TimNH said:
    I see coins on GC come up over and over with the same overpriced starting bid, and they never sell. I've been watching auctions for 1793 copper for years and the same crusty junk keeps getting put out there. I love GC overall but this does clog things up.
    I agree, that's one of the few things that I could criticize. You see the same re treads "auction" over and over as the starting bid gradually declines. Many times, this is caused by the consignors unrealistic expectations and too high of a starting bid, then once it goes stale, its stale.”

    And, it’s not just “crusty junk”. I saw a pattern coin come up earlier in the year that I personally believed was overpriced (as I was the underbidder at the Heritage sale at a much lower price and the coin was reappearing at GC). I made an offer for the coin after it failed to sell that I believed was fair. The consignor obviously passed and that is fine. But, then why allow the coin to come up for auction 3,4,5x (or 8x) times again and again at the exact same price? I totally lost track at how many times the coin has now made reappearances at the exact same opening bid). It makes no sense to me that is in GC’s best interest. Am I missing something?

    Wondercoin

    Since it's basically a fixed price sale, why don't they move it into a fixed price listing where it can sit until Ian is tired of it or the consignor wants it back?

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 8, 2024 5:41PM

    @alaura22 said:

    @PerryHall said:
    How much does GC charge the consigner when a coin doesn't sell?

    Zero
    Then the coin goes back up, and if it doesn't sell for 5 times the consigner will get charged another listing fee

    @leothelyon said:
    The bidding on every coin should start at $0 and not held out to some imaginary yesterday value that's no longer supported by demand. Waiting for some poor sap sucker who's not up-to-date with whatever. Yeah, sure, ka-ging for the auction house and consigner doing everything that's wrong with the hobby but what about the buyer who's getting buried with a very likely overgraded and over-priced POS?

    Leo

    Starting coins at $0 is riskey, if nobody sees it!
    If it were your $$$$ coin would you really take a chance of starting it at $0?
    A realistic starting bid, say 80% of value would be wise
    JMO

    No I would not start it low or near zero. Perhaps 10 pct back of bid maybe a startup parameter. Many sending to auction likely would do better shopping coin around bourse at a show. Auction performance can vary due to impact from other venues, ballgames, monies.

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 8, 2024 5:37PM

    @lermish said:

    @PeakRarities said:

    @lermish said:
    The subtlety is almost artistic. I wonder if WitterU needs a guest lecturer?

    Hey, you better cut it out! You….you… quote troll! :D

    I think he prefers the term 'griefer'. A lot of people are saying you're not with it anymore, not me, people are saying. Sad.

    What does this propaganda have to do with coins lol?

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’ve bought fixed price coins from GC and done well with them. Mostly bullion issues. Not some high margin but at least 5 bucks over cost, some more.

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  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 3,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @alaura22 said:

    @PerryHall said:
    How much does GC charge the consigner when a coin doesn't sell?

    Zero
    Then the coin goes back up, and if it doesn't sell for 5 times the consigner will get charged another listing fee

    @leothelyon said:
    The bidding on every coin should start at $0 and not held out to some imaginary yesterday value that's no longer supported by demand. Waiting for some poor sap sucker who's not up-to-date with whatever. Yeah, sure, ka-ging for the auction house and consigner doing everything that's wrong with the hobby but what about the buyer who's getting buried with a very likely overgraded and over-priced POS?

    Leo

    Starting coins at $0 is riskey, if nobody sees it!
    If it were your $$$$ coin would you really take a chance of starting it at $0?
    A realistic starting bid, say 80% of value would be wise
    JMO

    The way I see it, a 0$ starting bid carries the same risk of a 70% or 80% starting bid. When you start at 0, you'll get more views and a lot more watchers on an item. There are thousands of dealers who use GC to make a living, and most dealers would buy any type of coin if its only 70% of FMV (True FMV. Not optimistic price guide FMV that's more than any auction record). Starting at 70% or 80% might give you a sense of security, but you'd still be pretty darn disappointed if that was the only bid, right?

    I see goofy starting bids, and I just scroll on by. IMO, if someones not comfortable with taking a risk and their starting bid is full retail, they shouldn't be using an auction format to sell their coins then. I like DLRC, but I dont even bother to check the auctions because there not true auctions. I a;ways get excited when I get an email from GC telling me theres pioneer gold that was listed, but then I see that its the same scrubby coin thats been on the website for the past 3 months lol.

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  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PeakRarities said:

    @alaura22 said:

    @PerryHall said:
    How much does GC charge the consigner when a coin doesn't sell?

    Zero
    Then the coin goes back up, and if it doesn't sell for 5 times the consigner will get charged another listing fee

    @leothelyon said:
    The bidding on every coin should start at $0 and not held out to some imaginary yesterday value that's no longer supported by demand. Waiting for some poor sap sucker who's not up-to-date with whatever. Yeah, sure, ka-ging for the auction house and consigner doing everything that's wrong with the hobby but what about the buyer who's getting buried with a very likely overgraded and over-priced POS?

    Leo

    Starting coins at $0 is riskey, if nobody sees it!
    If it were your $$$$ coin would you really take a chance of starting it at $0?
    A realistic starting bid, say 80% of value would be wise
    JMO

    The way I see it, a 0$ starting bid carries the same risk of a 70% or 80% starting bid. When you start at 0, you'll get more views and a lot more watchers on an item. There are thousands of dealers who use GC to make a living, and most dealers would buy any type of coin if its only 70% of FMV (True FMV. Not optimistic price guide FMV that's more than any auction record). Starting at 70% or 80% might give you a sense of security, but you'd still be pretty darn disappointed if that was the only bid, right?

    I see goofy starting bids, and I just scroll on by. IMO, if someones not comfortable with taking a risk and their starting bid is full retail, they shouldn't be using an auction format to sell their coins then. I like DLRC, but I dont even bother to check the auctions because there not true auctions. I a;ways get excited when I get an email from GC telling me theres pioneer gold that was listed, but then I see that its the same scrubby coin thats been on the website for the past 3 months lol.

    Dan, It's been a while since I sold anything :)
    When I do I start the coin at 80% of FMV, at that starting point I will make money on the coin, so if it only gets 1 bid I'm covered.
    Now if you got paid by the number of bids it received that would be a different story.

  • TimNHTimNH Posts: 149 ✭✭✭

    The recycle problem is so bad for the coins I search for, my bookmarks have the 1+ bids filter. If zero bids, I never even see it anymore.

  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 3,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @alaura22 said:

    @PeakRarities said:

    @alaura22 said:

    @PerryHall said:
    How much does GC charge the consigner when a coin doesn't sell?

    Zero
    Then the coin goes back up, and if it doesn't sell for 5 times the consigner will get charged another listing fee

    @leothelyon said:
    The bidding on every coin should start at $0 and not held out to some imaginary yesterday value that's no longer supported by demand. Waiting for some poor sap sucker who's not up-to-date with whatever. Yeah, sure, ka-ging for the auction house and consigner doing everything that's wrong with the hobby but what about the buyer who's getting buried with a very likely overgraded and over-priced POS?

    Leo

    Starting coins at $0 is riskey, if nobody sees it!
    If it were your $$$$ coin would you really take a chance of starting it at $0?
    A realistic starting bid, say 80% of value would be wise
    JMO

    The way I see it, a 0$ starting bid carries the same risk of a 70% or 80% starting bid. When you start at 0, you'll get more views and a lot more watchers on an item. There are thousands of dealers who use GC to make a living, and most dealers would buy any type of coin if its only 70% of FMV (True FMV. Not optimistic price guide FMV that's more than any auction record). Starting at 70% or 80% might give you a sense of security, but you'd still be pretty darn disappointed if that was the only bid, right?

    I see goofy starting bids, and I just scroll on by. IMO, if someones not comfortable with taking a risk and their starting bid is full retail, they shouldn't be using an auction format to sell their coins then. I like DLRC, but I dont even bother to check the auctions because there not true auctions. I a;ways get excited when I get an email from GC telling me theres pioneer gold that was listed, but then I see that its the same scrubby coin thats been on the website for the past 3 months lol.

    Dan, It's been a while since I sold anything :)
    When I do I start the coin at 80% of FMV, at that starting point I will make money on the coin, so if it only gets 1 bid I'm covered.
    Now if you got paid by the number of bids it received that would be a different story.

    >

    Gotcha, I see where you're coming from and being in the green at 80% helps a lot. Just a possible factor to consider- A listing with 0 bids is less likely to get a click from me. This is not a generalization nor am I speaking for anyone else, but when I see a strong starting price with no bids I'm probably not opening that listing unless the coin relly grabs my attention. You're a reasonable guy Mike so this isn't directed at you, but to some collectors FMV is high retail, and 80% of that could end up translating to greysheet + 10% (which is pretty much retail).

    There's probably too much variance to do a reliable experiment, but It would be cool if there was a study using the same coins being auctioned multiple ways. For GC, one round could be 80% start, then maybe 50%, then $1. To make it real interesting, one could then run the same coins through HA and SB and compare all the results.

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  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 2,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TimNH said:
    I see coins on GC come up over and over with the same overpriced starting bid, and they never sell. I've been watching auctions for 1793 copper for years and the same crusty junk keeps getting put out there. I love GC overall but this does clog things up.

    From GC Consignment Information:

    "Regretfully, we cannot accept consignments where the Minimum Bids are higher than
    80% of their listed values on this form. If your Minimum Bids are above the market
    price in our opinion, we may return your consignment without listing in auction."

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,291 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe two VAM guys are playing badminton.

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