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  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    BRICS Expands With 9 New Partner Countries.

    Now It’s Half of World Population, 41% of Global Economy.

    And how much of the world's wealth do they comprise?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,161 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2024 10:44PM

    @cohodk said:

    @derryb said:
    BRICS Expands With 9 New Partner Countries.

    Now It’s Half of World Population, 41% of Global Economy.

    And how much of the world's wealth do they comprise?

    How much of the world's debt to they comprise? They are top producers of key commodities like oil, gas, grains, meat, and minerals. Those things will buy them all the money the west will have to pay them for those commodities.

    You fail to realize they are weaning themselves from the grip of the US and its allies and are positioning themselves to turn the table on dependency.

    Keep looking at the trees while some of us focus on the forest.

    Repetition of ignorance is ignorance raised to the power two.

  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2024 5:18AM

    @derryb said:

    @cohodk said:

    @derryb said:
    BRICS Expands With 9 New Partner Countries.

    Now It’s Half of World Population, 41% of Global Economy.

    And how much of the world's wealth do they comprise?

    How much of the world's debt to they comprise? They are top producers of key commodities like oil, gas, grains, meat, and minerals. Those things will buy them all the money the west will have to pay them for those commodities.

    You fail to realize they are weaning themselves from the grip of the US and its allies and are positioning themselves to turn the table on dependency.

    Keep looking at the trees while some of us focus on the forest.

    Some folk can identify every tree in the forest while others just see a bunch of trees and call it a forest.

    But, to your point of debt, do you not know that China and India have been piling on debt that will exceed their GDP in just a few years? So you have poor counties with massive debt....yeah.

    You fail to realize the differing political, economic, monetary, and religious policies of this group of poor folk will prove an insurmountable problem. But you are free to wish them luck if you wish.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,161 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cohodk said:

    @derryb said:

    @cohodk said:

    @derryb said:
    BRICS Expands With 9 New Partner Countries.

    Now It’s Half of World Population, 41% of Global Economy.

    And how much of the world's wealth do they comprise?

    How much of the world's debt to they comprise? They are top producers of key commodities like oil, gas, grains, meat, and minerals. Those things will buy them all the money the west will have to pay them for those commodities.

    You fail to realize they are weaning themselves from the grip of the US and its allies and are positioning themselves to turn the table on dependency.

    Keep looking at the trees while some of us focus on the forest.

    Some folk can identify every tree in the forest while others just see a bunch of trees and call it a forest.

    But, to your point of debt, do you not know that China and India have been piling on debt that will exceed their GDP in just a few years? So you have poor counties with massive debt....yeah.

    US debt to GDP is 123% and likely growing.

    You fail to realize the differing political, economic, monetary, and religious policies of this group of poor folk will prove an insurmountable problem.

    US has 50 differing state governments yet it remains United.

    Repetition of ignorance is ignorance raised to the power two.

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,993 ✭✭✭✭✭

    do you not know that China and India have been piling on debt that will exceed their GDP in just a few years?

    The US is already there.

    Michael Oliver specifically states that India is one par with the US in terms of debt/GDP ratio, but that China is way lower. Is your information correct?

    China has its own set of problems, but it appears that debt/GDP isn't one of them, yet.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 4,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The US GDP is overstated, partially because the US CPI is understated.

    We are in worse shape than the government statistics indicate. Of course, for now, we will keep borrowing like there is no tomorrow, until some future day, we can't.

  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2024 8:49AM

    @derryb said:

    @cohodk said:

    @derryb said:

    @cohodk said:

    @derryb said:
    BRICS Expands With 9 New Partner Countries.

    Now It’s Half of World Population, 41% of Global Economy.

    And how much of the world's wealth do they comprise?

    How much of the world's debt to they comprise? They are top producers of key commodities like oil, gas, grains, meat, and minerals. Those things will buy them all the money the west will have to pay them for those commodities.

    You fail to realize they are weaning themselves from the grip of the US and its allies and are positioning themselves to turn the table on dependency.

    Keep looking at the trees while some of us focus on the forest.

    Some folk can identify every tree in the forest while others just see a bunch of trees and call it a forest.

    But, to your point of debt, do you not know that China and India have been piling on debt that will exceed their GDP in just a few years? So you have poor counties with massive debt....yeah.

    US debt to GDP is 123% and likely growing.

    You fail to realize the differing political, economic, monetary, and religious policies of this group of poor folk will prove an insurmountable problem.

    US has 50 differing state governments yet it remains United.

    They are all bound by a common political structure, monetary and fiscal policy and (mostly) religion. You cant identify the trees.

    Maybe you could identify those 9 new BRIC trees and tell us a little about their economic, political and monetary structure?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Goldminers said:
    The US GDP is overstated, partially because the US CPI is understated.

    We are in worse shape than the government statistics indicate. Of course, for now, we will keep borrowing like there is no tomorrow, until some future day, we can't.

    Would you say the same for BRICs? Do you have greater confidence in the accuracy of their reported numbers?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2024 8:41AM

    @jmski52 said:
    do you not know that China and India have been piling on debt that will exceed their GDP in just a few years?

    The US is already there.

    Michael Oliver specifically states that India is one par with the US in terms of debt/GDP ratio, but that China is way lower. Is your information correct?

    China has its own set of problems, but it appears that debt/GDP isn't one of them, yet.

    it will be by end of decade, but that is actually one of their more minimal problems. Dont you see the trees?

    Some say it is already well in excess of GDP....

    https://www.morganstanley.com/im/en-us/individual-investor/insights/articles/china-smoke-and-mirrors.html
    https://www.fidelityinternational.com/editorial/article/how-china-keeps-its-debt-in-order-e1feea-en5/

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 4,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cohodk said:

    @Goldminers said:
    The US GDP is overstated, partially because the US CPI is understated.

    We are in worse shape than the government statistics indicate. Of course, for now, we will keep borrowing like there is no tomorrow, until some future day, we can't.

    Would you say the same for BRICs? Do you have greater confidence in the accuracy of their reported numbers?

    I would guess they have numbers approved by their governments, too.

  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Goldminers said:

    @cohodk said:

    @Goldminers said:
    The US GDP is overstated, partially because the US CPI is understated.

    We are in worse shape than the government statistics indicate. Of course, for now, we will keep borrowing like there is no tomorrow, until some future day, we can't.

    Would you say the same for BRICs? Do you have greater confidence in the accuracy of their reported numbers?

    I would guess they have numbers approved by their governments, too.

    Do you have greater confidence in their reported numbers over the US?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 4,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cohodk said:

    @Goldminers said:

    @cohodk said:

    @Goldminers said:
    The US GDP is overstated, partially because the US CPI is understated.

    We are in worse shape than the government statistics indicate. Of course, for now, we will keep borrowing like there is no tomorrow, until some future day, we can't.

    Would you say the same for BRICs? Do you have greater confidence in the accuracy of their reported numbers?

    I would guess they have numbers approved by their governments, too.

    Do you have greater confidence in their reported numbers over the US?

    Of course not. The US statistics are half-truths.

    Some of the other countries like Russia, reported news and data it is all propaganda, and truth is hard to find at all. As far as China, keeping 1.1 billion people happy requires significant discretion in what is published by the highly controlled government departments and media.

    As far as the other BRICS, I don't really know.

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll continue to bet on America, youse can have yer brics. THKS!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
    BOOMIN!™

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,161 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cohodk said:

    @Goldminers said:

    @cohodk said:

    @Goldminers said:
    The US GDP is overstated, partially because the US CPI is understated.

    We are in worse shape than the government statistics indicate. Of course, for now, we will keep borrowing like there is no tomorrow, until some future day, we can't.

    Would you say the same for BRICs? Do you have greater confidence in the accuracy of their reported numbers?

    I would guess they have numbers approved by their governments, too.

    Do you have greater confidence in their reported numbers over the US?

    Liars figure and figures lie.

    Repetition of ignorance is ignorance raised to the power two.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,161 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @blitzdude said:
    I'll continue to bet on America, youse can have yer brics. THKS!

    And just how are you doing that, buying up its debt? LOL

    Repetition of ignorance is ignorance raised to the power two.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,161 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Coho sounds like what the common thought towards a new economically bound group of states was like in Britain in 1776. "They don't think like we do, they will never become a powerhouse." LOL

    Repetition of ignorance is ignorance raised to the power two.

  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    Coho sounds like what the common thought towards a new economically bound group of states was like in Britain in 1776. "They don't think like we do, they will never become a powerhouse." LOL

    Derryb sounds like he is comparing the colonies to a bunch of communist dictatorships?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @blitzdude said:
    I'll continue to bet on America, youse can have yer brics. THKS!

    And just how are you doing that, buying up its debt? LOL

    Are you buying the Chinese or Russian debt?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,161 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2024 3:44PM

    @cohodk said:

    Are you buying the Chinese or Russian debt?

    It's all worthless paper. i don't buy debt, I prefer to remain debt free.

    @cohodk said:

    @derryb said:
    Coho sounds like what the common thought towards a new economically bound group of states was like in Britain in 1776. "They don't think like we do, they will never become a powerhouse." LOL

    Derryb sounds like he is comparing the colonies to a bunch of communist dictatorships?

    Derryb sounds like he understands the implications of any economic union, regardless of their politics. One can't write off the world influence of China or Russia just because of their politics. Consider BRICS a union of China, Russia and many other nations that have grown weary of US world domination and intimidation. And if you don't see that union as a threat to the US then you know nothing of economics, let alone world politics. An idiot once wrote "you have been warned."

    Repetition of ignorance is ignorance raised to the power two.

  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    derrby

    . An idiot once wrote "you have been warned."

    Actually the idiot once wrote, "perception is fact".

    Here's another for your "the BRICs are like the 13 colonies"..

    https://www.voanews.com/a/anger-over-abductions-mounts-in-kenya/7916747.html

    Yeah, sounds like a reasonable and logical means and criteria to be a member of the economic union.

    They are more a threat to themselves, than to the US.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,161 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The rest of the world no longer loves a weaponized IOU from an indebted issuer of bonds with a finite duration yet infinite supply. This is what fuels the BRICs effort, it will be a major economic force.

    Repetition of ignorance is ignorance raised to the power two.

  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    The rest of the world no longer loves a weaponized IOU from an indebted issuer of bonds with a finite duration yet infinite supply. This is what fuels the BRICs effort, it will be a major economic force.

    Which country are you speaking of, Brazil, Russia, India or China?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,161 ✭✭✭✭✭

    BRICs will become a major economic force, was I not clear?

    Repetition of ignorance is ignorance raised to the power two.

  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2025 6:05PM

    @derryb said:
    BRICs will become a major economic force, was I not clear?

    Excellent.

    Boo!!

    Clear?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,198 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Will BRICs become a major economic force" would be an excellent final exam question for a course in geo-politics.

    I might also add a second question:

    Will the QUAD (US, Japan, Australia, India) become a major global or regional force?

    Or, will the "QUAD PLUS" (US, Japan, Australia, India, Brazil, Israel, New Zealand, South Korea, Vietnam) become a global force?

    A comprehensive answer, of course, requires a thoughtful analysis of the question.

    Higashiyama
  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Higashiyama said:
    "Will BRICs become a major economic force" would be an excellent final exam question for a course in geo-politics.

    I might also add a second question:

    Will the QUAD (US, Japan, Australia, India) become a major global or regional force?

    Or, will the "QUAD PLUS" (US, Japan, Australia, India, Brazil, Israel, New Zealand, South Korea, Vietnam) become a global force?

    A comprehensive answer, of course, requires a thoughtful analysis of the question.

    Exactly. Some think the US and its allies will just roll over....c'est la vie.

    Don't forget about Canada, snd some day Europe will remove the stick.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,993 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Excellent.

    Boo!!

    Clear?

    You aren't making your point, coho. The last thing we needed was to drive Russia and China into an alliance. There's rarely been such a combination of inept and corrupt "leadership" for such a prolonged length of time in the U.S. and it only seems to get worse over time. Most of the world seems to see it, but you don't?

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 3, 2025 4:17AM

    Yes, i see Russia and China alliance. And i ever wrote in this forum years ago that China will eventually invade Russia and take over everything east of the Urals. That's the alliance i see.

    For some reason, you and your ilk, see strength in China and Russia but not "inept and corruption". Or you think that's ok because the US is worse. Youre so focused on the shortcomings on the US without seeing those (much worse and much bigger) on the otherside. Talk about being stuck in the forest.

    Let the Brics form. Excellent. Now watch them expend copios energy trying to stay together, while the US and its allies with similar social structures, similar govts, similar religions, similar language atke advantage of their distractions and weaknesses.

    Oh, we see, we see a lot more.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 3, 2025 6:02AM

    For some reason, you and your ilk, see strength in China and Russia but not "inept and corruption".

    You are only half-correct. I don't see an alliance between China and Russia as a source of strength, but I do see our hand in driving them together as an extremely stupid and bad move on our part.

    you think that's ok because the US is worse.

    The US may not be 100% worse, but the US is on a course that mimics China's social engineering and social control mechanisms in several ways that aren't good - if you enjoy your way of life at all.

    If the US doesn't revert back to some semblance of a moral society with a work ethic and the will to produce our own scholars, industrial base and put a stop to the diversity training & hiring nonsense - not to mention reconstituting a meritocracy, we are toast.

    Via debt creation and financialization, Wall Street and the banking cabal have been of zero help to Americans.

    End the Fed.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why on earth would we want to end the Fed? The Fed is the greatest institution this nation has ever known. God Bless the Fed. RGDS!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
    BOOMIN!™

  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmski52 said:
    For some reason, you and your ilk, see strength in China and Russia but not "inept and corruption".

    You are only half-correct. I don't see an alliance between China and Russia as a source of strength, but I do see our hand in driving them together as an extremely stupid and bad move on our part.

    you think that's ok because the US is worse.

    The US may not be 100% worse, but the US is on a course that mimics China's social engineering and social control mechanisms in several ways that aren't good - if you enjoy your way of life at all.

    If the US doesn't revert back to some semblance of a moral society with a work ethic and the will to produce our own scholars, industrial base and put a stop to the diversity training & hiring nonsense - not to mention reconstituting a meritocracy, we are toast.

    Via debt creation and financialization, Wall Street and the banking cabal have been of zero help to Americans.

    End the Fed.

    The shortcomings or failures you see--DEI, work ethic, education, industrial base--are largely results.of Congrsssional legislation, not FED actions.

    The FED can't change one's work ethic, desire for education or preference for made in China junk. These are personal decisions. We are weak.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 4, 2025 5:02AM

    The shortcomings or failures you see--DEI, work ethic, education, industrial base--are largely results.of Congrsssional legislation, not FED actions.

    They work hand-in-hand, and the only beneficiaries are the ones who get first dibs on the money creation. - consisting of Wall Street and the banking cabal. There is no Fed mentioned in the Constitution. End the Fed.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmski52 said:
    The shortcomings or failures you see--DEI, work ethic, education, industrial base--are largely results.of Congrsssional legislation, not FED actions.

    They work hand-in-hand, and the only beneficiaries are the ones who get first dibs on the money creation. - consisting of Wall Street and the banking cabal. There is no Fed mentioned in the Constitution. End the Fed.

    So ending the Fed would improve wortk ethic, foster a desire for educational and encourage folk to stop buying China junk?

    New Year, same funnies.

    Now back to reality...

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-economy-ruble-sanctions-2009659

    Russian Ruble Nosedives as Economy Gives Putin Major Headache

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cohodk said:

    @jmski52 said:
    The shortcomings or failures you see--DEI, work ethic, education, industrial base--are largely results.of Congrsssional legislation, not FED actions.

    They work hand-in-hand, and the only beneficiaries are the ones who get first dibs on the money creation. - consisting of Wall Street and the banking cabal. There is no Fed mentioned in the Constitution. End the Fed.

    So ending the Fed would improve wortk ethic, foster a desire for educational and encourage folk to stop buying China junk?

    New Year, same funnies.

    Now back to reality...

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-economy-ruble-sanctions-2009659

    Russian Ruble Nosedives as Economy Gives Putin Major Headache

    Fear not the brics. Amazing the things that get people scared.....paranoid....brainwashed.
    Bunker = exit
    Life = go out and live it.
    Long live the FED! God Bless 'Merica
    Happy New Year and RGDS!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
    BOOMIN!™

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,673 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 5, 2025 1:30AM

    @blitzdude said:
    Why on earth would we want to end the Fed? The Fed is the greatest institution this nation has ever known. God Bless the Fed. RGDS!

    .

    The Federal Reserve is the greatest ?
    You don't even believe that.

    Are they better than the Marines ?
    I know, let there be a battle between the Federal Reserve and the Marines (or the Army/Navy/Air-Force) and we will see which is "the greatest" ;)

    .

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,673 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 5, 2025 1:43AM

    @cohodk said:
    The shortcomings or failures you see--DEI, work ethic, education, industrial base--are largely results.of Congrsssional legislation, not FED actions.

    The FED can't change one's work ethic, desire for education or preference for made in China junk. These are personal decisions. We are weak.

    .

    The Federal Reserve hates monopolies, except their own.

    They absolutely foster and enable an environment where the focus is on finance and debt servitude, not self-sufficiency.

    .

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,993 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm wondering if bliz even knows who financed the Bolshevik Revolution.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,370 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 5, 2025 8:45AM

    .

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,161 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 7, 2025 11:14PM

    Repetition of ignorance is ignorance raised to the power two.

  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    >

    You know the same story is reported by Reuters and AP. Why did you choose to cite Russia Times?

    But, to the report....more poor folk...GDP per capita is 1/20 of that is USA. What is the goal of grouping all these poor folk?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,161 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 8, 2025 4:53PM

    @cohodk said:

    >

    You know the same story is reported by Reuters and AP. Why did you choose to cite Russia Times?

    Because experience has taught me not to trust Reuters or the AP. I no longer trust "main stream" media that we all now now is and has been under US political influence. Time has shown that outside outlets provide more accurate reporting when it comes to the lies (and DC press releases) being spewed by the MSM. Because "Russia" appears in its title you automatically assume the words are coming from Putin. I read and have learned to believe international news sites more so than CNBC, Washington Post, Fox, CNN or the White House press secretary.

    But, to the report....more poor folk...GDP per capita is 1/20 of that is USA. What is the goal of grouping all these poor folk?

    With current debt levels that no longer matter to those creating the debt is the GDP even a reliable/realistic measuring stick? Especially when one considers the credibility of those providing the numbers? Economic data is no longer independent; it is issued and approved by those with political motives.

    So, feel free to keep your head in the sand, Washington and its media puppets will take care of you.

    Repetition of ignorance is ignorance raised to the power two.

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 8, 2025 2:40PM

    @derryb said:
    So, feel free to keep your head in the sand, Washington and its medial puppets will take care of you.

    Exit the bunker my brother, there is not a need for ANYONE to take care of us. We be BOOMIN! RGDS!!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
    BOOMIN!™

  • UpGrayeddUpGrayedd Posts: 652 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @cohodk said:

    >

    You know the same story is reported by Reuters and AP. Why did you choose to cite Russia Times?

    Because eperienc has taught me not to trust Reauters or the AP. I no longer trust "main stream" media that we all now now is and has been under US political influence. Time has shown that outside outlets provide more accurate reporting when it comes to the lies (and DC press releases) being spewed by the MSM. Because "Russia" appears in its title you automatically assume the words are coming from Putin. I read and have learned to believe international news sites moreso than CNBC, Washington Post, Fox, CNN or the White House press secretary.

    But, to the report....more poor folk...GDP per capita is 1/20 of that is USA. What is the goal of grouping all these poor folk?

    With current debt levels that no longer matter to those creating the debt is the GDP even a reliable/realistic measuring stick? Especially when one considers the credibility of those providing the numbers? Economic data is no longer independent; it is issued and approved by those with political motives.

    So, feel free to keep your head in the sand, Washington and its medial puppets will take care of you.

    You think that Reuters and the AP are politically biased, but any and I mean any news outlet in Russia isn't? I will fully admit that most news today is biased from one side or the other (and I hate it), but at least we have freedom of the press. Something that doesn't exist in your Mother Russia. All news in Russia is controlled by the state. If they report something Putin doesn't like they have an "accident." Put the pipe down and come back to reality.

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  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 8, 2025 4:06PM

    @UpGrayedd said:

    @derryb said:

    @cohodk said:

    >

    You know the same story is reported by Reuters and AP. Why did you choose to cite Russia Times?

    Because eperienc has taught me not to trust Reauters or the AP. I no longer trust "main stream" media that we all now now is and has been under US political influence. Time has shown that outside outlets provide more accurate reporting when it comes to the lies (and DC press releases) being spewed by the MSM. Because "Russia" appears in its title you automatically assume the words are coming from Putin. I read and have learned to believe international news sites moreso than CNBC, Washington Post, Fox, CNN or the White House press secretary.

    But, to the report....more poor folk...GDP per capita is 1/20 of that is USA. What is the goal of grouping all these poor folk?

    With current debt levels that no longer matter to those creating the debt is the GDP even a reliable/realistic measuring stick? Especially when one considers the credibility of those providing the numbers? Economic data is no longer independent; it is issued and approved by those with political motives.

    So, feel free to keep your head in the sand, Washington and its medial puppets will take care of you.

    You think that Reuters and the AP are politically biased, but any and I mean any news outlet in Russia isn't? I will fully admit that most news today is biased from one side or the other (and I hate it), but at least we have freedom of the press. Something that doesn't exist in your Mother Russia. All news in Russia is controlled by the state. If they report something Putin doesn't like they have an "accident." Put the pipe down and come back to reality.

    Yup how on earth did we get here? Way back in the day I had a nutty electronics professor that tried to warn us of all the russian propaganda subliminally being fed to us thru our radios and TV screens. We all thought he was a tool back then but now here I sit several decades later watching the doomsday cult cheering on putin and their fantasy hopes of brics. CRZY WRLD!

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,673 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @blitzdude said:

    @UpGrayedd said:

    @derryb said:

    @cohodk said:

    >

    You know the same story is reported by Reuters and AP. Why did you choose to cite Russia Times?

    Because eperienc has taught me not to trust Reauters or the AP. I no longer trust "main stream" media that we all now now is and has been under US political influence. Time has shown that outside outlets provide more accurate reporting when it comes to the lies (and DC press releases) being spewed by the MSM. Because "Russia" appears in its title you automatically assume the words are coming from Putin. I read and have learned to believe international news sites moreso than CNBC, Washington Post, Fox, CNN or the White House press secretary.

    But, to the report....more poor folk...GDP per capita is 1/20 of that is USA. What is the goal of grouping all these poor folk?

    With current debt levels that no longer matter to those creating the debt is the GDP even a reliable/realistic measuring stick? Especially when one considers the credibility of those providing the numbers? Economic data is no longer independent; it is issued and approved by those with political motives.

    So, feel free to keep your head in the sand, Washington and its medial puppets will take care of you.

    You think that Reuters and the AP are politically biased, but any and I mean any news outlet in Russia isn't? I will fully admit that most news today is biased from one side or the other (and I hate it), but at least we have freedom of the press. Something that doesn't exist in your Mother Russia. All news in Russia is controlled by the state. If they report something Putin doesn't like they have an "accident." Put the pipe down and come back to reality.

    Yup how on earth did we get here? Way back in the day I had a nutty electronics professor that tried to warn us of all the russian propaganda subliminally being fed to us thru our radios and TV screens. We all thought he was a tool back then but now here I sit several decades later watching the doomsday cult cheering on putin and their fantasy hopes of brics. CRZY WRLD!

    .

    The news is always slanted these days. It is best to get information from multiple sources and sift through it to try and see the light.

    Your claims that people here are "cheering on Putin" and have "fantasy hopes of BRICS" is just more of the worst propaganda.

    Your dismissive stance and trivialization of BRICS is not going to make BRICS go away.

    Will BRICS ever be successful at what they are attempting to do ? Maybe, maybe not. But they are going to try, and it would be wise to take that into consideration.

    .

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,161 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @blitzdude said:

    @derryb said:
    So, feel free to keep your head in the sand, Washington and its media puppets will take care of you.

    Exit the bunker my brother, there is not a need for ANYONE to take care of us. We be BOOMIN! RGDS!!

    coho apparently disagrees.

    Repetition of ignorance is ignorance raised to the power two.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,161 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2025 10:39PM

    @UpGrayedd said:

    You think that Reuters and the AP are politically biased, but any and I mean any news outlet in Russia isn't? I will fully admit that most news today is biased from one side or the other (and I hate it), but at least we have freedom of the press.

    Freedom of the press belongs to those that own one.

    Repetition of ignorance is ignorance raised to the power two.

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 9, 2025 4:40AM

    at least we have freedom of the press.

    Did you just crawl out from under a rock? Have you ever watched those collections of videos that show a collage of 15 or 20 news anchors all reading from the same script, using the exact same words and phrases? Who do YOU think is writing the script? The news media is consolidated under just a few owners, all of which have an agenda.

    You think that Reuters and the AP are politically biased, but any and I mean any news outlet in Russia isn't?

    Nobody here is holding Russia out as a shining example of freedom and honesty, but demonizing the other side doesn't make us any better somehow. How long have you been captured by the "Russiagate" narrative and don't even realize it? Wake up.

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  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 9, 2025 4:58AM

    @derryb said:
    I personally find little US news on foreign media that is actual lies, it's simply hard truth. But some, and apparently those in your camp, can't handle the truth.

    Yes, we all know you are a big fan of the RT as you have linked to them numerous times.over the years.

    I sincerely hope you understand how hypocritical you appear when you say you don't trust US reporting.

    RT and AP write the same story. You don't trust the AP story, but you do the RT story. Hmmm..

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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,993 ✭✭✭✭✭

    RT and AP write the same story. You don't trust the AP story, but you do the RT story. Hmmm..

    Does that mean that AP and RT are part of the same media complex?

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