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Is this toning positive, negative or neutral?

KSorboKSorbo Posts: 124 ✭✭✭
edited August 11, 2024 3:26PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Here are seller’s photos of a recent acquisition that looks similar in hand to the photos and has a good amount of luster shining through. What are your opinions on the toning? Does it look original or did it “turn” in the holder? Does it enhance the value or detract from it?


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  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s not that bad looking. Not sure if the black stuff will get worse, but definitely will be too dark/terminal for a lot of collectors.

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,256 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would call it neutral leaning towards negative, unless it's a screaming deal I would keep looking.

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,673 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Natural trending towards neg but the coin faces up like a gem in an older holder with a sticker. It will get solid money

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,175 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unfortunately, although original, I consider it negative eye appeal.

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,111 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For me the obverse is negative and the reverse is positive. I feel the CAC sticker adds more than the color.

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,014 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would call it neutral and believe it would get a decent premium (in part due to the sticker).

  • ShurkeShurke Posts: 344 ✭✭✭✭

    It’s natural, but leaning toward negative eye appeal for me.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,085 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ugly. Pass. It's got a CAC sticker so sell it to them.

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  • TypekatTypekat Posts: 369 ✭✭✭✭

    Negative. Probably radioactive. Slab gets brittle, cracks. Regrets

    Show it to your granma, ask her. Age spots. Hard pass.

    Wouldn’t touch it. Swap for bunker supplies, TP, etc. Thank me later.

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  • WingedLiberty1957WingedLiberty1957 Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    its funny but every time someone posts a "is this toning positive, negative, or neutral?" its always terrible toning. I guess the lesson is, if you have doubts, then its bad! If a coin has good toning, you will know it right away and wont have doubts.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,944 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It would not be for me. I would rather have a dipped piece.

    It's probably original, but there is outside chance it could be from a badly rinsed dip.

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Never would a dipped Lincoln be acceptable. Period.

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  • maymay Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don’t mind it.

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As for the question… the coin looks to have original skin. If you do not like buy a different coin.

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's original. The toning appears to be a net negative for most folks and a slight positive for others. Overall, I think a coin that looks like this is less liquid than most other coins and, hence, isn't worth any premium.

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  • TypekatTypekat Posts: 369 ✭✭✭✭

    @lermish

    Umh…don’t think so.
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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,323 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Negative. A coin I would pass on.

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  • goldengolden Posts: 9,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just do not like that kind of spotty toning.

  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 12, 2024 3:04PM

    It's not for me but I am sure that there is a buyer out there who would appreciate it for what it is.

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,673 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    It's original. The toning appears to be a net negative for most folks and a slight positive for others. Overall, I think a coin that looks like this is less liquid than most other coins and, hence, isn't worth any premium.

    You don’t think you could price it 15% 20% higher than an avg 64 not in a fatty without a sticker?

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto said:

    @TomB said:
    It's original. The toning appears to be a net negative for most folks and a slight positive for others. Overall, I think a coin that looks like this is less liquid than most other coins and, hence, isn't worth any premium.

    You don’t think you could price it 15% 20% higher than an avg 64 not in a fatty without a sticker?

    Then it might be a bit like comparing apples to oranges. This coin against a generic, blasty, like-graded coin in a similar holder with CAC sticker is probably less liquid. However, to the right buyer it is worth more. So, if one were willing to carry the cost until the right buyer is found then it is worth more. If unwilling to carry the cost then it is less liquid.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not the type of toning that I would want. I do have some similarly toned coins thou. Its neutral toning bordering on negative toning.

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  • MapsOnFireMapsOnFire Posts: 223 ✭✭✭

    I'd buy it to resell, but not to keep.

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Neutral.

    Nothing to write home about, but I don’t find it distracting, either.

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  • MartinMartin Posts: 956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Harsh crowd here, but I agree not something I’d buy.
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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,174 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2024 7:11PM

    You would have to scrub it with a q tip soaked w jewel luster to even have a chance get the black off. Not sure it could be removed anyway.

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would pass on it.

  • breakdownbreakdown Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it more than most on here, but am concerned that TomB is less enthused. His fealty to originality is rare.

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  • KoveKove Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭

    The toning is original and neutral to me. I would have had no problem selling that coin back in my dealing days. Old holder, CAC, and originality going for it.

    Way better than a boring, dime-a-dozen dipped example.

  • MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The toning, to me, looks natural. I like the toning and I think I owned that coin at one time.

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  • BigAlBigAl Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭

    Obv negative. Reverse ok. Overall take a pass on that one. If you liked toned commems there are better options.

  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 6,056 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What about the toning on this Proof Nickel? I just pulled it from a 61 Proof Set Cellophane. Is it worth slabbing? Unfortunately the grade would probably be PR63/64-ish IMO. But the color might be neat to someone? Or will PCGS consider this damaged?

  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,725 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The only time I will buy something like this is it is rare.
    I really think sometime times I’ll dip it it just lightly but I live with
    because it’s rare. If I ev ever fi d a new one I will sell this one.
    .

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,276 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pass, not the type of coin for me

  • EastonCollectionEastonCollection Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ecks! One thing you never know is where nor how coins were stored for long periods of time, so toning can be quite attractive or downright ugly- but nevertheless original. IMHO- the Lincoln Half is original but not the attractiveness that I would include in my world. The Lincoln proof 1961 nickel - I really don't like it. Sorry to say that because I really don't like to insult someone on their coins. I think the toning on the nickel shows originality but the toning has gone wrong maybe due to bad storage.

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  • knovak1976knovak1976 Posts: 394 ✭✭✭✭

    Would everyone want it if it was in a Regency holder and CAC’ed? They’d be knocking themselves out to get it. What’s that old famous saying here, “buy the coin and not the holder!” 😉😂

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