1829 Capped Bust Half Dime.........Possible counterfeit?

jesbroken

I have a question regarding the reverse on this 1829 Half Dime. I see no reverse with the upper arrow tip touching the dentils. Is this just a wear feature? I feel it is actually touching the dentils, but not savvy enough with the series yet to know. Your help would be appreciated. If not what LM# do you feel this coin is?
Jim

hummingbird_coins

Half dime?

CRHer700

@hummingbird_coins said:
Half dime?

Yes, unless he has a different coin.

BillJones

It's not a half cent; it's a half dime.

TomB

As a half-cent it is definitely counterfeit.

Walkerguy21D

Typo aside, I vote genuine, but possibly damaged, or heavily worn dies.
Have you tried to weigh it?
Awaiting the experts.

lkenefic

I'm thinking genuine too... struck slightly off-center? Maybe that accounts for the odd strike on the arrows...

Walkerguy21D

@lkenefic said:
I'm thinking genuine too... struck slightly off-center? Maybe that accounts for the odd strike on the arrows...

I initially thought slightly off center, then decided it was the image or angle that was causing the appearance rather than the coin. But it may actually be off center.

jesbroken

Sorry about the nomenclature. Spent too much time on the half cents and can't get them out of my head. Edited to correct.
Yes it weighs 3.1 grams and with the wear I would think that close to the 3.5 g original weight, what do you think. I thank you for your replies.
Jim

96grains

I am a bit confused. Coin Facts states the weight at 1.35 grams.

yosclimber

what LM# do you feel this coin is?

Based on S2S, scroll ending, and TA bases level, I think it is Reverse G.
The obverse looks like 6, so that is LM-13.
I did not attempt to rule out other obverses.
I don't know which remarriage, because I don't have my book on hand.

As for why the arrowhead seems close to the dentils, I think that could be wear and dirt.

yosclimber

Although I don't have my book, I did make an Excel file with key info from it, several years ago.
Here are the sections relating to 1829.

1829 variety list

1829 die pair table

jesbroken

Thanks @yosclimber
I thought Reverse G also, until I noticed the length of the upper arrow. So do you think damage lengthened the arrow point or wear? I placed a comparison photo of Reverse G with this reverse potion of the arrow area in the OP.
Thanks again.
Jim

yosclimber

original image

(edit to remove/blur "dirt lines")

If the "dirt" (?) lines from the upper arrowhead to the dentils were removed (above),
it would just look like a wide arrowhead like the lower two.
So I think those lines might be overly important in the perception.

jesbroken

For those just starting out searching for the attributable Capped Bust Half Dimes, I made this chart up with excel for quicker search for the harder to find LM#'s that, of course, have a higher rarity. It contains columns with the Dates, LM#'s, rarity#'s and explanation to top R# with photos. You need Excel to open it, this is just a photo of the file and cannot be opened. If interested, message me and I'll send you the Excel File. You also can add more or less to the file as you learn and want different requirements. Hope it helps.
Jim

NOTE I meant this for my other Half Dime post, but will add it there also.

jesbroken

The two lines that form the tip are there in the photo, not added. I wouldn't think removing the dirt would remove the lines, but if so, then I would agree. Thanks.
Jim

Bikergeek

Coin looks legit to me. Let me blow your mind here a bit. New research continues to evolve our understanding, even though these coins are about 200 years old. One example - an idea that I personally believe needs to be codified by Greysheet and the TPGs (and I intend to work to do so) is that LM-13 is a marriage without remarriages after all. See the Reverse G article by Richard Meaney in the August 2012 John Reich Journal for more on that. (The Newman Numismatic Portal has most of the early Journals, although there's a gap for recent years that only gets filled after some time passes). The takeaway: if/when broadly accepted, then 1829 LM-13 will no longer have a ".1" or ".2" remarriage.

jesbroken

So which LM# does this 29 belong to? I'm struggling with it. Perhaps the wear is getting me.
Jim

gonzer

Remarkable information here and yet I have no idea what any of it means.

yosclimber

@jesbroken said:
So which LM# does this 29 belong to? I'm struggling with it. Perhaps the wear is getting me.

Still LM-13, but now we don't have to worry about identifying the remarriage.
Could possibly still identify the die state if sufficient markers are visible,
to see if it fits with the original LM-13.1 or 13.2 .

Bikergeek

I believe you've got what we'd call an LM-13.2 due to the clashes. In the image below of an MS-63, I look for three prominent clashes: over left (as viewed) of eagle's wing, over the head, and under the right wing. Your coin seems to show the clash over the head and I think it's clashed under the right wing. (The clash in the open field over the left wing is not as protected and may have been worn away). There are other clash marks like under the eagle's left wing, but by then you're just piling on. :-)

jesbroken

Between the1st I and T it appears to be, perhaps, a die crack or clash, too much wear to be sure. Thanks for the info guys, I'm new at this and it will take a while but I will get there. Not sure of the circled area may be an old clash worn mostly away.
Jim