1965 P error Lincoln penny
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I'm new to the forum. I have a 1965P Lincoln penny and I think there's an error on the inside of the rim on the reverse at approximately 10 to 12 o'clock and the splintered inner rim looks like a number 7 that reaches down to and attaches itself to the outside of the first letter S in the word states. I cannot find any error of this kind on any Lincoln penny in this year and mint after hours on the Internet. Looking for some input
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Your images are a bit small & don't enlarge well.
It appears to be post mint damage. (PMD)
How can it be pmd. This coin is MS BU quality. Never been in circulation My images enlarge fine on my end
Cents are mass produced and can be damaged at the mint by sorting or wrapping machines.
Once they leave the mint they can be damaged by companies that roll & distribute the coins. (Lumis/Brinks)
MS BU doesn't mean that it actually never circulated, just that there isn't any evidence of it. Damage can happen many ways, even for coins that were always in collections. Damage can even happen during transportation from the Mint Or rolling from the bank.
The question is never "how did that damage hapoen?" The question is always "how could that happen in the minting process?"
The coin appears to have a small nick inside the rim. It is far more likely it took a hit during handling or rolling of the coin. If you Google the minting process and see how the rims are actually formed, you'll realize that there isn't really a good way for that to happen during minting.
True mint errors only happen in a very few well- defined ways. Damage happens in an infinite number of ways. If you are really interested in errors, I would recommend looking at any of the thousands of images of cerified errors in auction archives. And you can learn a lot about the minting process online and in numismatic literature. 99.99% of all anomalies on coins are either physical or environmental damage.
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I would also point out a bit of an error in your argument. If the coin were an "error", there would not be other identical coins for the year. You may be thinking "die variety". Those are generally catalogued. Check varietyvista.com for known varieties.
Edited to add: please note I'm not suggesting this is a die variety. It appears to be damage. Just trying to provide additional information.
Looks like pmd, damage. You can see where the metal has been displaced.
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What do you mean by no other identical coins for the year. I have 250 of these in original paper bank rolls from Sunnyvale Calif. All MS BU never been in circulation. This is the only one with this deformity. Are you telling me this the only penny in what I have that just so happened to be the only one damaged like this. Are you saying error coins are only one of a certain coin and year and no other coins of say the 1955 Lincoln Wheatie DD are out there. Are you saying only one exists and newly discovered error coins in certain years never turn up every year or so. Look closely. My photos are fine. It looks like a number 7 stamped in the upper left corner
Why would the mint put a 7 on the reverse?
They don't just have extra 7's floating around the die making room that jump onto dies.
For a genius to find it.
There is no way for that to happen when the coin was struck so it is damage.
Anything that happens to a coin after it leaves the ejection chamber is damage
no matter where or how it happened.
"Error" coins are errors of manufacture and they tend to be single events. "Varieties" are die differences like the 1955 DDO cent and every coin struck by that die well be of that variety.
The "looks like a number 7" is called pareidolia. Your brain will always try to take random marks and interpret them as something familiar. It is not a 7, it is a run cut. How do you think a 7 would have gotten onto the die? If it had, there would be 100,000 of them or there and the "die variety" would be known.
Damage also tends to be singular. If you cut yourself with a knife, your whole family doesn't bleed. I'm not sure what the 250 coins without damage have anything to do with it.
Counter and roller damage is common. These were not hand rolled. It is very common for coins to get nicked or scratched in that process, usually near the edges because that's where the metal is in the machine.
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Your photos are a little out of focus.
Please approach this with a little humility. You are obviously new to the hobby. We welcome you. But if you've come here to try and act like you are going to educate the veterans, this thread is going to quickly degenerate and you'll end up storming of angrily.
That is not a known variety. It also is pretty clearly just rim damage. You can choose to try and understand how we know that and learn from this coin or you can dig your heels in and insist that it is a "7" in which case your stay will, sadly, likely be short.
Your photos are a little out of focus.
Please approach this with a little humility. You are obviously new to the hobby. We welcome you. But if you've come here to try and act like you are going to educate the veterans, this thread is going to quickly degenerate and you'll end up storming of angrily.
That is not a known variety. It also is pretty clearly just rim damage. You can choose to try and understand how we know that and learn from this coin or you can dig your heels in and insist that it is a "7" in which case your stay will, sadly, likely be short.
It is not a 7. it looks like it could be a planchet flaw, which detracts from the value, I can't really tell the photo is so poor. If you want to find errors look at Lincoln cents from 2009, specifically Lincoln sitting on a log P mints. There are like 40 different DDR's.
Don't think of the minting process as a fine golden glove thing, it is an industrial mass production, take a look at the last minute of this 3 minute video of the Denver mint
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FwSibJjJQ4
The real indication will be the offers in your mailbox to purchase the cent.
I’m looking for the “4” in the rim.
It is just a damaged cent. If you are convinced it is a rare error send it in to PCGS for certification.
Sorry to hijack the thread, but after the coins are punched from the raw material, they can't be perfectly flat, can they? What is the process that would flatten them?
Could you clarify the question? Are you talking about the planchets being punched from the "raw material" or the coins being struck? The struck coins are flat as the planchet is struck by two dies with tremendous force.
Complicated—they work it out one at a time—
What the hell is that?
Those concrete blocks flatten unwieldy gold dollar alloy puddles. The argon light is kinda like spray starch for your button-down after you press it.
An elegant solution, but the simplest explanation is best.
They flatten the planchets by punching sevens all over them.
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Thanks for responding @jmlanzaf I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear. I DID mean the planchets being struck from the raw material.
Here we go again. Newbee comes here to ask the learned members a question about a supposed mint error. He/she get the answer from the members and its not good enough. My only personal problem with this is that I opened the thread
"Raw material" = strip.
Google "blank planchet" and you'll see what they look like. I'm not sure of your definition of "perfectly flat" but its close enough for me.