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NEWP CAC RESULTS IN. To Finish My 20th Century Type Set. Any Thoughts On The Coin.

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  • WalkerloverWalkerlover Posts: 889 ✭✭✭✭

    @NewEnglandRarities said:

    @Walkerlover said:

    @NewEnglandRarities said:

    @Walkerlover said:
    What you are forgetting is there is valuable information to be learned from this submission and others to CAC at a cost of only $16 per coin. This will sharpen my skills as to the amount of contact marks allowed for certain grade levels. Well worth the price of admission.

    @Walkerlover we have been here so many times. I hate to tell you this, but pretty much everyone is not going to answer honestly here because they figure if they do, you will just return the coin.

    Look, you MUST try a bit better to rebuild some reputation here. Again, you VERY much know why you are getting these responses. Trust takes a long time to build, but only seconds to be taken away.

    I see some marks on this coin that I would basically say no chance to CAC. Frankly the two you purchased before look like they had a better chance, but you returned those.

    With that said, I’ve always mentioned why not find a CAC graded coin anyway. The last time I mentioned this, you mentioned it was $95 versus $63, but your cost would be about the same if you shipped it and paid for sticker. You also mentioned that the photo I shared was “slightly out of focus”. But why would that matter if you are so sure JA and CAC are all you need, who would care what the photo was like, as it would be what you are looking for.

    Again, this is only hurting your reputation and I think you are seeing that people are kind of starting to not give any credit to these types of posts from you (which is every post you make). I think it would be best for you now to try ti do some research and explain to US why you think something will CAC versus asking us from a picture that is overexposed and hiding problems if it will CAC. You said your percentage is very high, time to either learn or teach us!

    Edited to add+spelling: just to keep with your question, the cut on the forehead looks very deep to me, so much so I see a different color in the shadow of the cut. Of course none of us have the coin in hand, but I truly cannot see this one getting a sticker. And there are literally thousands already stickered which may be a better option for you at this point.

    While perusing EBay today I saw this Franklin Half graded by CACG. And it’s not Legacy meaning it’s originally graded by them, possibly more conservatively than CAC grades in general today. I believe my coin is no worse and perhaps even better for the grade. Even the reverse looks cleaner . Care to agree or disagree Mr. New England Rarities?



    I’m not sure what kind of answer you are looking for here. I mean, looking at two different coins with two different photography techniques and keeping in mind CAC and CACG are two different companies I really don’t know what you are asking me to agree/disagree with. I stated that nobody can know, look at the two images of your coin that are quite different. How can someone be expected to know. I mentioned before that people are suspect of your asking if something will CAC, not because of you personally, but because of prior history that you’ve been told time and time again. It seems like some may be attacking you, but that is just because of your actions on other coins, not necessarily the coins you are choosing.

    I think honestly many of us don’t really understand what exactly you are trying to accomplish. Again, if the goal is to have a type set of federal coins graded by PCGS and then pass CAC sticker, I will once again suggest that should be your primary search. Time is valuable, so the cost of sending in/time to package/returns/etc you would probably have a lower cost and especially more time to use on other numismatic pursuits if you just searched out what you are looking for from the beginning. Just my two cents.

    No harm meant. We all are opining based on pictures as we don’t have the coins in hand to assess the grading. Just asking your honest opinion based on your best judgement of the pictures provided which coin is cleaner for the 65 grade. A simple question not to put you on the spot as we all converse on this forum on the pictures provided to us as long as they are reasonably clear photos.

  • NewEnglandRaritiesNewEnglandRarities Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerlover No harm meant on my side either. I guess I would say that while a lot of Franklin’s will have marks and such, my opinion is that while yours may in fact have some cleaner areas than the CACG coin, I think your piece has some prominent marks in some prominent spots which are seen very quickly by the naked eye. There is really no way to know what it looks like in hand for me, so therefore I’m just going from the images provided.

    But, I still kind of think this is more about your search criteria to advance your set, versus how the optics look with your plan now. I think you should consider that a bit more, again, just a single persons opinion.

    New England Rarities...Dealer In Colonial Coinage and Americana
  • WalkerloverWalkerlover Posts: 889 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2, 2024 7:02PM

    @NewEnglandRarities said:
    @Walkerlover No harm meant on my side either. I guess I would say that while a lot of Franklin’s will have marks and such, my opinion is that while yours may in fact have some cleaner areas than the CACG coin, I think your piece has some prominent marks in some prominent spots which are seen very quickly by the naked eye. There is really no way to know what it looks like in hand for me, so therefore I’m just going from the images provided.

    But, I still kind of think this is more about your search criteria to advance your set, versus how the optics look with your plan now. I think you should consider that a bit more, again, just a single persons opinion.

    okay no worries. Appreciate your honesty. One more question do you think from the photo that the CACG Franklin is an A or B coin. Thanks

    😊
    Actually silly me if were an A coin it would have a plus lol

  • Jacques_LoungecoqueJacques_Loungecoque Posts: 733 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Am I missing something here because according to sheet there’s like a $13 difference between CAC’ed and non-CAC’ed. Why not just buy it CAC’ed from the jump and avoid all the uncertainty?

    I’m no big money buyer, nor is a coin being CAC’ed matter to me whatsoever. But if it was everything to me to complete a set I’d save myself the grief, trouble, and aggravation on a sub-$100 coin. And it’s going to cost you more to go the path you’ve chosen.

    Having fun while switching things up and focusing on a next level PCGS slabbed 1950+ type set, while still looking for great examples for the 7070.

  • WalkerloverWalkerlover Posts: 889 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 10, 2024 4:47PM

    @Manifest_Destiny said:

    @Walkerlover said:
    No worries this one isn’t going back as it is outstanding for the grade. Flashy clean 👁️ appealing coin. Deserves a 66 grade or gold sticker in my humble opinion

    It's not ever close to 66. It's barely a 65, if that.



    Despite your lowballing the coin I did indeed receive a green sticker today at CAC. I don’t know how you figured “ barely a MS 65 if that “ edited.

  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerlover said:

    @Manifest_Destiny said:

    @Walkerlover said:
    No worries this one isn’t going back as it is outstanding for the grade. Flashy clean 👁️ appealing coin. Deserves a 66 grade or gold sticker in my humble opinion

    It's not ever close to 66. It's barely a 65, if that.



    Despite your lowballing the coin I did indeed receive a green sticker today at CAC. I don’t know how you figured “ barely a MS 65 if that “ You showed yourself to be foolish

    You had an opportunity to be gracious in reporting the result and were anything but that.
    @Manifest_Destiny based his opinion on images, whereas you had the coin in hand. Yet, his assessment seemed to be about as accurate as yours was - “Deserves a 66 grade or gold sticker in my humble opinion”. But I’m not going to tell you that you showed yourself to be foolish.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • WalkerloverWalkerlover Posts: 889 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 10, 2024 4:51PM

    @MFeld said:

    @Walkerlover said:

    @Manifest_Destiny said:

    @Walkerlover said:
    No worries this one isn’t going back as it is outstanding for the grade. Flashy clean 👁️ appealing coin. Deserves a 66 grade or gold sticker in my humble opinion

    It's not ever close to 66. It's barely a 65, if that.



    Despite your lowballing the coin I did indeed receive a green sticker today at CAC. I don’t know how you figured “ barely a MS 65 if that “ You showed yourself to be foolish

    You had an opportunity to be gracious in reporting the result and were anything but that.
    @Manifest_Destiny based his opinion on images, whereas you had the coin in hand. Yet, his assessment seemed to be about as accurate as yours was - “Deserves a 66 grade or gold sticker in my humble opinion”. But I’m not going to tell you that you showed yourself to be foolish.

    Okay I will delete the foolish I guess that was unnecessary. But his judgment was unnecessarily harsh as well. But no gold doesn’t preclude a 66 grade at PCGS as a C coin upon resubmission as a regrade. Do you agree?

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerlover said:

    @MFeld said:

    @Walkerlover said:

    @Manifest_Destiny said:

    @Walkerlover said:
    No worries this one isn’t going back as it is outstanding for the grade. Flashy clean 👁️ appealing coin. Deserves a 66 grade or gold sticker in my humble opinion

    It's not ever close to 66. It's barely a 65, if that.



    Despite your lowballing the coin I did indeed receive a green sticker today at CAC. I don’t know how you figured “ barely a MS 65 if that “ You showed yourself to be foolish

    You had an opportunity to be gracious in reporting the result and were anything but that.
    @Manifest_Destiny based his opinion on images, whereas you had the coin in hand. Yet, his assessment seemed to be about as accurate as yours was - “Deserves a 66 grade or gold sticker in my humble opinion”. But I’m not going to tell you that you showed yourself to be foolish.

    Okay I will delete the foolish I guess that was unnecessary. But his judgment was unnecessarily harsh as well

    Your guess was obviously correct.
    Stop asking for opinions about your coins if you don’t want to hear any negative ones.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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