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Assayers initials on Mexican 8 reales Сap and rays

Hello, friends
Does anyone have information on the names of assayers at the mints of Mexico City and Guanajuato ?
I am interested in the following assayers initials
Guanajuato mint
1826-27,1828-33 M.J. -
1827-1828 M.R. -
1834-1842 P.J. -
1848-1861 P.F. -
1880-1883 S.B. -
1883-1884 B.R. -

Mexico City mint
1837-38,1842-43 M.M. -
1847 R.C. -
1855-1857 G.F. -

Fac quod debes, fiat quod fiet

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  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't have my RESPLANDORES reference with me but what your looking for is all in there.

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • TheGoonies1985TheGoonies1985 Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @genosse said:
    Hello, friends
    Does anyone have information on the names of assayers at the mints of Mexico City and Guanajuato ?
    I am interested in the following assayers initials
    Guanajuato mint
    1826-27,1828-33 M.J. -
    1827-1828 M.R. -
    1834-1842 P.J. -
    1848-1861 P.F. -
    1880-1883 S.B. -
    1883-1884 B.R. -

    Mexico City mint
    1837-38,1842-43 M.M. -
    1847 R.C. -
    1855-1857 G.F. -

    Per Resplandores (Mike Dunnigan & J.B. Parker 1997):

    Guanajuato mint

    Unknown
    Unknown
    Unknown
    Unknown
    Unknown
    Unknown

    Mexico mint

    Unknown
    Unknown
    Unknown

    I just went threw my book and this is what he wrote for each initial you inquired about. Maybe someone here has done further research and can be of help (or maybe not).

  • TheGoonies1985TheGoonies1985 Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 26, 2024 3:21PM

    Bidask & Boosobri are extremely knowledgeable about this series (and other series as well). They would be the ones to know. Possibly others as well but since I have been here they seem to the experts on this 8 reales series from Mexico.

    I own a copy of Resplandores but I do not collect the series.

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,107 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it’s not in Resplandores, then I’m of no use.

  • genossegenosse Posts: 66 ✭✭✭

    @PillarDollarCollector said:
    Per Resplandores (Mike Dunnigan & J.B. Parker 1997):
    I just went threw my book and this is what he wrote for each initial you inquired about. Maybe someone here has done further research and can be of help (or maybe not).

    I don't have Resplandores.
    Please compare if these assayers are in this book

    Guanajuato mint
    1824, 1833 J.M. - Jose Antonio Mucharraz
    1825-1826 J.J. - Jose Mariano Jimenez
    1842-1848 P.M. - Patrick Murphy
    1862 Y.E. - Ynocencio Espinoza
    1862-1870 Y.F. - Yldenfonso Flores
    1870-1873 F.R. - Faustino Ramirez
    1874-1878 F.R. - Francisco Sardaneta and Roman Mendosa
    1878-1879 S.M. - Jose Maria Sardaneta and Roman Mendosa
    1884-1890 R.R. - Jose Guadalupe Reynoso and Carlos Romero
    1891-1897 R.S. - Rosendo Sandoval

    Mexico City mint
    1822-1832 J.M. - Jose Garcia Anzaldo and Manuel Ruiz Tejeda
    1833 M.J. - Manuel Ruiz Tejeda and Jose Garcia Anzaldo
    1833-36,1837,1838-42 M.L. - Manuel Ruiz Tejeda and Luis Velazquez de la Cadena
    1836,1844-47 M.F. - Manuel Ruiz Tejeda and Francisco Lelo de Larrea
    1848-1855 G.C. - Joaquin Gonzalez and Sebastian Camacho
    1858-1860 F.H. - Francisco Hermosa
    1860-61,1863 T.H. - Manuel Ruiz Tejeda and Francisco Hermosa
    1861-63,1867,1868-69 C.H. - Sebastian Camacho and Francisco Hermosa
    1873-74,1877-90 M.H. - Adolfo Medina and ?
    1874-1876 B.H. - Mariano Barcena and ?
    1890-95,1896-97 A.M. - Adolfo Medina
    1895-1896 A.B. - Antonio de la Barrera

    Fac quod debes, fiat quod fiet

  • TheGoonies1985TheGoonies1985 Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @genosse said:

    @PillarDollarCollector said:
    Per Resplandores (Mike Dunnigan & J.B. Parker 1997):
    I just went threw my book and this is what he wrote for each initial you inquired about. Maybe someone here has done further research and can be of help (or maybe not).

    I don't have Resplandores.
    Please compare if these assayers are in this book

    Guanajuato mint
    1824, 1833 J.M. - Jose Antonio Mucharraz
    1825-1826 J.J. - Jose Mariano Jimenez
    1842-1848 P.M. - Patrick Murphy
    1862 Y.E. - Ynocencio Espinoza
    1862-1870 Y.F. - Yldenfonso Flores
    1870-1873 F.R. - Faustino Ramirez
    1874-1878 F.R. - Francisco Sardaneta and Roman Mendosa
    1878-1879 S.M. - Jose Maria Sardaneta and Roman Mendosa
    1884-1890 R.R. - Jose Guadalupe Reynoso and Carlos Romero
    1891-1897 R.S. - Rosendo Sandoval

    Mexico City mint
    1822-1832 J.M. - Jose Garcia Anzaldo and Manuel Ruiz Tejeda
    1833 M.J. - Manuel Ruiz Tejeda and Jose Garcia Anzaldo
    1833-36,1837,1838-42 M.L. - Manuel Ruiz Tejeda and Luis Velazquez de la Cadena
    1836,1844-47 M.F. - Manuel Ruiz Tejeda and Francisco Lelo de Larrea
    1848-1855 G.C. - Joaquin Gonzalez and Sebastian Camacho
    1858-1860 F.H. - Francisco Hermosa
    1860-61,1863 T.H. - Manuel Ruiz Tejeda and Francisco Hermosa
    1861-63,1867,1868-69 C.H. - Sebastian Camacho and Francisco Hermosa
    1873-74,1877-90 M.H. - Adolfo Medina and ?
    1874-1876 B.H. - Mariano Barcena and ?
    1890-95,1896-97 A.M. - Adolfo Medina
    1895-1896 A.B. - Antonio de la Barrera

    Guanajuato mint:

    Yes 1833
    Yes 1826-1833
    Yes 1842-1848
    Yes 1862-1863
    Yes 1862-1863 and 1867-1870
    Yes 1870-1878
    FR Faustino Ramirez 1870-1878
    FR Faustino Ramirez 1870-1878
    SM Unknown possibly Francisco Sardaneta and Roman Mendoza 1878-1879
    RR Unknown possibly Carlos Romero and Carlos Rodriguez Rey 1884-1890
    Yes and possibly Carlos with Carlos Romero 1891-1900

    Mexico mint:

    JM Jose Garcia Anzaldo 1823-1832 (1822 since under Iturbide)
    Yes
    Unknown 1833-1842
    Unknown 1836
    Unknown 1848-1855
    Unknown 1858-1860
    Unknown 1860-1861 and 1863
    Unknown 1863-1869
    Unknown 1873-1874 and 1877-1890
    Unknown 1874-1876
    AM Adolph Medina 1890-1908
    Yes

  • genossegenosse Posts: 66 ✭✭✭

    @PillarDollarCollector said:
    Guanajuato mint:
    Mexico mint:

    Thank you very much!
    I found almost all the information on the names of assayers in the annual almanacs (guía de forasteros), which were published in Mexico in the 19th century.
    These almanacs contained a calendar, a list of religious holidays, and in addition, all government organizations and positions were listed and the people who occupied these positions were named.
    So this is a contemporary source of information.


    Fac quod debes, fiat quod fiet

  • TheGoonies1985TheGoonies1985 Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 28, 2024 7:42AM

    @genosse said:

    @PillarDollarCollector said:
    Guanajuato mint:
    Mexico mint:

    Thank you very much!
    I found almost all the information on the names of assayers in the annual almanacs (guía de forasteros), which were published in Mexico in the 19th century.
    These almanacs contained a calendar, a list of religious holidays, and in addition, all government organizations and positions were listed and the people who occupied these positions were named.
    So this is a contemporary source of information.

    If you are a fan of this series I would suggest buying the book Resplandores. It is not a easy book to locate but they do show up from time to time. It cost about 150$-200$ US. But well worth the money.

    This company sells books and coins and they have a copy for sale from time to time.

    https://worldnumismatics.com/

    Other places to look are eBay and posting an want to buy add in the proper world coin section of this forum.

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