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GTG- Saint Gaudens - Grade revealed, follow up question

PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 3,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited June 21, 2024 5:02AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I'll reveal the grade once I feel that the thread has run its course.


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  • hummingbird_coinshummingbird_coins Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU55

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  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,637 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Okay, so does that mean the choices are either 58+ or 67. I'll bet on the latter.

  • P0CKETCHANGEP0CKETCHANGE Posts: 2,542 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU58

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,085 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU55

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,984 ✭✭✭✭✭

    67+

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,984 ✭✭✭✭✭

    anyone guessing AU should at least add the plus

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58.

  • JerseyBJerseyB Posts: 104 ✭✭✭

    Au58

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,400 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    anyone guessing AU should at least add the plus

    Why?

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,984 ✭✭✭✭✭

    it's a good looker

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,432 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58 camp also

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  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,774 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow. That is a clean Saint. I want to say mint state but I think she's had that leg petted. :D

  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 3,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @MsMorrisine said:
    anyone guessing AU should at least add the plus

    Why?

    Now that you've made an appearance in the thread, I think we'd all like to hear your guess. 😅

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  • lermishlermish Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DeplorableDan said:

    @MFeld said:

    @MsMorrisine said:
    anyone guessing AU should at least add the plus

    Why?

    Now that you've made an appearance in the thread, I think we'd all like to hear your guess. 😅

    Going by the other 98-S $20 GTG thread, Mark's guess will likely be "at least 53"😅

  • Herb_THerb_T Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

  • spacehaydukespacehayduke Posts: 5,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66+

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  • Downtown1974Downtown1974 Posts: 6,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 20, 2024 5:58PM

    Great looking Saint! I especially like the reverse. I’ll guess 65.

  • ranshdowranshdow Posts: 1,441 ✭✭✭✭

    High AU

  • UltraHighReliefUltraHighRelief Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This must be one of the "new" Truviews.....

  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,877 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU58, deserving of a plus (technical strength and eye appeal) and a bean (technical strength)

    This is a 58/64 "superslider" IMO ... i.e. one of those coins where the wear regulates the technical grade, but the surface quality and luster is superlative, and makes it look Near Gem/Gem at first blush.


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  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU details. RGDS!

  • RobertScotLoverRobertScotLover Posts: 910 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1st off I like it
    2nd I dig the color
    3rd I like the strike
    4th I am not familiar with grading these types so all I can offer is AU58 or MS63+

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,030 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's so hard to tell without rotating the coin in the light and seeing the chatter and contact marks. I'm at 64/65 from here.

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  • CopperindianCopperindian Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64

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  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS-65.

    Even on a thread with so many veterans, the guesses are ALL OVER the place from AU to MS. :o

  • dhikewhitneydhikewhitney Posts: 424 ✭✭✭

    AU58+

  • SurfinxHISurfinxHI Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    yup, it is either 58+ or ms 67. Can't see the contact marks that should be there for an AU coin, so it appears super clean. Thus, high MS. But there looks to be wear on the eagle's wing, thus, AU 58.

    Needs more photos to be fair.

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  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,014 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU55+.

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  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,159 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not seeing AU here like many
    MS65

  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 20, 2024 10:40PM

    The 8-s is a trick coin.
    It gets hammered in grading.
    If it was a 29 I'd give it a 65.
    If it was a 8-D motto ???? Never seen one with actual circ wear.
    A "godless 8" will get away with anything and are often over-graded.

    Sometimes the more you know, the less it will help you. :#
    My guess is AU58 but I would grade it a MS65

    Look at the long rays on the 1st motto reverse.
    Gotta love it. :p

    8- Motto coins take a minus 1 hit and I don't know why.
    All Motto eight coins seem to get AU over the slightest bit of circulation and I don't know why that is either.

    Check out mine on my linked set below.
    It's a straight 65 but looks 66???, It's not alone in how 8D's are graded.

    I will tell you this...
    That is one nice looking 8-S and I'd be happy to own it :)

  • Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66+

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,400 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS64

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  • shishshish Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU-58+

    I agree that this is a 58/64 "superslider" an example where the wear limits the technical grade, but the surface quality and luster are superlative, looks look near gem at first blush.

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  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful Saint. Could have been a pocket piece for a short time. My guess is a 55.

  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My first thought was 58+, but like others have said it could be graded high MS. Either way it's a beautiful piece.

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  • jughead1893jughead1893 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65

  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,557 ✭✭✭✭✭

    55

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,173 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice. AU 58

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,063 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see it in the choice MS range. While there looks to be the slightest amount of cabinet friction on the high points, the fields look good to support an MS grade. MS 64 seems reasonable.

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  • JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Chest looks like rub but I don’t see matching rub anywhere else. I’ll guess uncirculated.

  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 3,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For this coin to be graded 55, you would want to see more flatness on the high points and some more indication of wear in the fields, a coin like this could make it into a choice unc holder under the right circumstances, but it would look very silly in a 55 holder.

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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,795 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Late to the thread, but I'd have graded it MS-66 on the basis of no significant contact marks. I don't own any Saints other than the Modern AGEs, so most of the time I don't try to assess the subtleties listed here for this coin.

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  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 3,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    This is a fun thread.
    I should have gone with my initial (AU58) impression. However, other than the apparent very light rub on Liberty’s breast, the coin looked quite “Gemmy” and coins are often graded higher than my grade opinions. But hey, I was only off by 6 points.😉

    If there were ever an AU-59 grade, this coin would be the textbook plate. So, in essence, you were only off by 5 points. 😉

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  • lermishlermish Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @blitzdude said:
    AU details. RGDS!

    Now that we know the results, can you tell us what issue(s) you thought prevented a straight grade?

    As le roi said in another thread:

    @MFeld said:

    When you’re that far off from everyone else, it can be a good learning opportunity. Take advantage of it.

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,673 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Late to the dance but I was torn between 55+ and 58. I see detail loss on wing and he belly so no 58+ to these eyes. Nice color as it doesn’t appear to be dipped seeking a higher grade which is too common on the 08s

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