GTG- Saint Gaudens - Grade revealed, follow up question
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AU55
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Okay, so does that mean the choices are either 58+ or 67. I'll bet on the latter.
AU58
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67+
anyone guessing AU should at least add the plus
58.
Au58
Why?
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it's a good looker
58 camp also
Wow. That is a clean Saint. I want to say mint state but I think she's had that leg petted.
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Now that you've made an appearance in the thread, I think we'd all like to hear your guess. 😅
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Going by the other 98-S $20 GTG thread, Mark's guess will likely be "at least 53"😅
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66+
Great looking Saint! I especially like the reverse. I’ll guess 65.
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High AU
This must be one of the "new" Truviews.....
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AU58, deserving of a plus (technical strength and eye appeal) and a bean (technical strength)
This is a 58/64 "superslider" IMO ... i.e. one of those coins where the wear regulates the technical grade, but the surface quality and luster is superlative, and makes it look Near Gem/Gem at first blush.
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1st off I like it
2nd I dig the color
3rd I like the strike
4th I am not familiar with grading these types so all I can offer is AU58 or MS63+
It's so hard to tell without rotating the coin in the light and seeing the chatter and contact marks. I'm at 64/65 from here.
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MS-65.
Even on a thread with so many veterans, the guesses are ALL OVER the place from AU to MS.
AU58+
yup, it is either 58+ or ms 67. Can't see the contact marks that should be there for an AU coin, so it appears super clean. Thus, high MS. But there looks to be wear on the eagle's wing, thus, AU 58.
Needs more photos to be fair.
66
AU55+.
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I'm not seeing AU here like many
MS65
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The 8-s is a trick coin.
It gets hammered in grading.
If it was a 29 I'd give it a 65.
If it was a 8-D motto ???? Never seen one with actual circ wear.
A "godless 8" will get away with anything and are often over-graded.
Sometimes the more you know, the less it will help you.
My guess is AU58 but I would grade it a MS65
Look at the long rays on the 1st motto reverse.
Gotta love it.
8- Motto coins take a minus 1 hit and I don't know why.
All Motto eight coins seem to get AU over the slightest bit of circulation and I don't know why that is either.
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It's a straight 65 but looks 66???, It's not alone in how 8D's are graded.
I will tell you this...
That is one nice looking 8-S and I'd be happy to own it
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AU-58+
I agree that this is a 58/64 "superslider" an example where the wear limits the technical grade, but the surface quality and luster are superlative, looks look near gem at first blush.
Beautiful Saint. Could have been a pocket piece for a short time. My guess is a 55.
My first thought was 58+, but like others have said it could be graded high MS. Either way it's a beautiful piece.
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Very nice. AU 58
I see it in the choice MS range. While there looks to be the slightest amount of cabinet friction on the high points, the fields look good to support an MS grade. MS 64 seems reasonable.
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Chest looks like rub but I don’t see matching rub anywhere else. I’ll guess uncirculated.
Ok, many of you nailed it so I see no reason to drag this one. Admittedly, I rushed the pictures and they weren't the best, but I thought they were good enough for grading purposes.
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This coin is what's referred to as a "super slider". In pictures, it faces up like a gem and has very little disturbances in the fields, contact marks are almost non existent. The high points of the coin have just a touch of flatness with minimal loss of detail, but the luster of the coin in hand is a bit dull and is not quite sufficient to put it in a 64 or 65 holder.
The 08-s saint is a key to the series and has the lowest mintage aside from the high relief issues. It is what they call a "protected date" and as @ReadyFireAim mentioned, it gets "hammered" in the grading room with extra scrutiny. PCGS graded this coin AU-58 but a more common date could have made it into a 62 or 63 holder, if they market graded it based on the fields and netted it because of the rub/dull luster. My technical grade for this coin is AU-58+ and I wouldn't be bothered by a grade of 62, as I believe it's worth low-end 62 money at a minimum.
here are the heritage photos of the coin below.
Now, as a follow up question- If you wanted this coin in your collection, would you pay more for this coin in a AU-58+ CAC holder, or an NGC 62 non-cac holder? Why?
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For this coin to be graded 55, you would want to see more flatness on the high points and some more indication of wear in the fields, a coin like this could make it into a choice unc holder under the right circumstances, but it would look very silly in a 55 holder.
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Late to the thread, but I'd have graded it MS-66 on the basis of no significant contact marks. I don't own any Saints other than the Modern AGEs, so most of the time I don't try to assess the subtleties listed here for this coin.
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I should have gone with my initial (AU58) impression. However, other than the apparent very light rub on Liberty’s breast, the coin looked quite “Gemmy” and coins are often graded higher than my grade opinions. But hey, I was only off by 6 points.😉
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If there were ever an AU-59 grade, this coin would be the textbook plate. So, in essence, you were only off by 5 points. 😉
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Whew, I feel WAY better, now. Thank you and I’ll try to return the favor one day.😉
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Now that we know the results, can you tell us what issue(s) you thought prevented a straight grade?
As le roi said in another thread:
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Late to the dance but I was torn between 55+ and 58. I see detail loss on wing and he belly so no 58+ to these eyes. Nice color as it doesn’t appear to be dipped seeking a higher grade which is too common on the 08s
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