I was watching the coin in the original post when it first came to auction, but I didn't bid and regretted not having done so as soon as I saw this thread.
So when it was re-consigned to SARC in their most recent auction, I expected it to sell for more than last time. However, it sold for less, and I was lucky enough to be the winning bidder. I'm not sure what could explain the original winner reconsigning it so soon, my only guess being that they tried and failed to get it graded and also didn't see this thread!
Thanks to everyone for posting their thoughts on this coin, and if anyone has further questions related to it I will do my best to answer them if I am able. I'm not sure when I'll have the chance to but I would like to get it XRF tested at some point.
@realeswatcher said:
All fascinating pieces, @MrEureka! Gonna necessitate careful study with some strong dark beer this evening/weekend...
First quick observation - along with what @genosse said - #2 is curious. The only one with completely obvious hand-engraved, non-regal design elements, yet full weight/proper alloy. Of course, that makes ZERO sense as a contemporary counterfeit. However, it certainly looks to have age to it.
Note it has a mount mark at 12 o'clock... I wonder if it could be some sort of earlier numismatic and/or jewelry imitation/tribute piece, kind of like the ca. 1900 imitative Lima 1686 8R Royal/"galano".
Pieces #1, #3, #4 need study. I think genosse might be thinking along with me on #4...
PS - In talking about underweight WOI hosts... and this question is particularly for @MrEureka's expertise/experience, but anyone else - @CarlosJ, you there? - who knows these or has a raw example... Exactly WHAT kind of weights are observed on these?? What's the lowest we see for pieces considered "regal" mint product?
I have one example, have to pull it out and weigh/examine.
Overstruck 1831 CR-F's observed by me have weights ranging from 24.5 to 28 g. A few years ago, in 1998, a collector in CR studied locally available 1831's 8 Reales and observed weights in the 25-27 g range. That study in mentioned in Chacon's latest work, published in 2018.
@realeswatcher, you wrote "In talking about underweight WOI hosts... Exactly WHAT kind of weights are observed on these?? What's the lowest we see for pieces considered "regal" mint product?"
Expected weight should range from ca. 23.5 g up. Note that the LCV stamp from Veracruz, authorized in December 1812, expected the weights of the provisional coins to be worth (after being weighed) between 7 and 8 Reales, meaning a range of weights from 7x3.375 g upwards for the coins that were countermarked, and not all of the presented coins were considered of sufficient weight to receive the LCV validating mark.
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I was watching the coin in the original post when it first came to auction, but I didn't bid and regretted not having done so as soon as I saw this thread.
So when it was re-consigned to SARC in their most recent auction, I expected it to sell for more than last time. However, it sold for less, and I was lucky enough to be the winning bidder. I'm not sure what could explain the original winner reconsigning it so soon, my only guess being that they tried and failed to get it graded and also didn't see this thread!
Thanks to everyone for posting their thoughts on this coin, and if anyone has further questions related to it I will do my best to answer them if I am able. I'm not sure when I'll have the chance to but I would like to get it XRF tested at some point.
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Overstruck 1831 CR-F's observed by me have weights ranging from 24.5 to 28 g. A few years ago, in 1998, a collector in CR studied locally available 1831's 8 Reales and observed weights in the 25-27 g range. That study in mentioned in Chacon's latest work, published in 2018.
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@realeswatcher, you wrote "In talking about underweight WOI hosts... Exactly WHAT kind of weights are observed on these?? What's the lowest we see for pieces considered "regal" mint product?"
Expected weight should range from ca. 23.5 g up. Note that the LCV stamp from Veracruz, authorized in December 1812, expected the weights of the provisional coins to be worth (after being weighed) between 7 and 8 Reales, meaning a range of weights from 7x3.375 g upwards for the coins that were countermarked, and not all of the presented coins were considered of sufficient weight to receive the LCV validating mark.
http://www.lanumismatics.blogspot.com/
"A blog about Latin American Numismatics"