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ashelandasheland Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭✭

This is one that I want to upgrade in the future, I really want this in MS64 but it’s gonna be very pricey… If you have one, in any grade, post it here!

I have this one, and if I ever do get the 64 I will continue to keep this one because it’s just so darn choice!

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  • TypekatTypekat Posts: 382 ✭✭✭✭

    @Downtown1974 :

    Excellent 1854 t2 G$!

    Deep strike, clean, original - what more can you ask for?

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,166 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Byers said:

    Now yer just showing off......!

    Great piece!

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  • P0CKETCHANGEP0CKETCHANGE Posts: 2,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    55 CAC with some die clashing

    Nothing is as expensive as free money.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,145 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @P0CKETCHANGE said:
    55 CAC with some die clashing

    Die clashes are very common with this series.

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  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is my T2 from my type set - also with some clashing.

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,693 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Byers said:

    There are not that many type 2 Obv dies out there. It would be worth while deeply studying the Obv for markers and then tracking down the date and mint. While most likely a 54p if it could be proven to be an O, D, C or S it would raise the interest and thus the demand.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,987 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @P0CKETCHANGE said:
    55 CAC with some die clashing

    Die clashes are very common with this series.

    Yes, die clashing is very common with these pieces. It's almost hard to find them without it.

    A great many of the dies show rust also. Many years ago I had one that passed as an "MS-65" before there were certification services. It was very well struck, but the obverse die was rusted. Breen mentioned that in his booklet about gold dollar die varieties.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,145 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto said:

    @Byers said:

    There are not that many type 2 Obv dies out there. It would be worth while deeply studying the Obv for markers and then tracking down the date and mint. While most likely a 54p if it could be proven to be an O, D, C or S it would raise the interest and thus the demand.

    Since the obverse die is undated, it may have been used in multiple years.

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,693 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 15, 2024 7:00AM

    Only one I have, while I consider it a stepping stone example until I find the perfect 55o, they just aren’t out there with original surfaces and color. The 3 or 4 I have seen that are worthy upgrades in the last decade were priced accordingly and I didn’t squeeze the trigger

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,987 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 1856-S Gold Dollar is an interesting. It was the last of the Type II design. It exists because it took so long to transport goods from Philadelphia to San Francisco.

    Gold Dollars were struck at San Francisco in 1854, but there were none in 1855. The Philadelphia Mint sent dies to San Francisco for the 1856 coinage. They turned out to be Type II gold dollars.

    A good number of them has a double punched "S." David Akers said in his gold dollar book that some dealers tired to call this variety "rare." It isn't.

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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,173 ✭✭✭✭✭



    This one is a 58, some planchet roughness on the right obv.

  • pmh1nicpmh1nic Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @johnny010 said:

    65+

    I’m not sure why but I love clash marks :)

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  • pmh1nicpmh1nic Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @asheland said:
    This is one that I want to upgrade in the future, I really want this in MS64 but it’s gonna be very pricey… If you have one, in any grade, post it here!

    I have this one, and if I ever do get the 64 I will continue to keep this one because it’s just so darn choice!

    This might be one of those cases where some slight rub (which I can see) held a very nice coin back from an MS grade.

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pmh1nic said:

    @asheland said:
    This is one that I want to upgrade in the future, I really want this in MS64 but it’s gonna be very pricey… If you have one, in any grade, post it here!

    I have this one, and if I ever do get the 64 I will continue to keep this one because it’s just so darn choice!

    This might be one of those cases where some slight rub (which I can see) held a very nice coin back from an MS grade.

    I agree, it’s got a nice strike, too.
    But, like mentioned above the most interesting thing on this example that I currently own is that there’s no clashing on it!

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Seriously nice coins everybody! 👍

  • liefgoldliefgold Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:

    The Charlotte Mint never got the hang of making the larger (15 mm) gold dollars. All of the Charlotte pieces are poorly stuck.

    The best thing about this piece is that the reverse is well struck for the issue. This one is graded EF-45. After looking at a number of pieces, I concluded that you could pay "$X" for an EF or your could pay "2 X $X) for an AU which wasn't much better. So I went with the EF.

    This is the best struck 55-C I have seen. Bill is right on about all being poorly struck. Mine has been lightly cleaned, but for me the cleaning was offset by the above average strike. As compared to Bill's mine has a better obverse strike but the reverse is weaker at the center.



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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,693 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @Crypto said:

    @Byers said:

    There are not that many type 2 Obv dies out there. It would be worth while deeply studying the Obv for markers and then tracking down the date and mint. While most likely a 54p if it could be proven to be an O, D, C or S it would raise the interest and thus the demand.

    Since the obverse die is undated, it may have been used in multiple years.

    True but it wouldn’t have been used at multiple mints just tracking to a P, O, D, C or S would add value and be a fun numismatic exercise. Even finding one year that matches would be a start

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