Little to no affect. A typical Trout autograph is so far out of the range it should be already, so when you are dealing with a market where people have no concept (or don't care and will pay whatever it takes) of value, you never know what will happen.
The modern autograph market is a weird one, but guys who completely flopped and are out of baseball still often sit for sale with obnoxious prices years later. They don't seem to sell at those prices, but few people are even trying and those that are are holding out for past glory money levels (which they will never get). Then you have prospects and up and coming players who bring in way more than established superstars and hall of famers, many of whom will eventually tank (Think Yasiel Puig for a perfect example) and then fuel a new era of overpriced washouts.
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Maybe Trout pull a Winfield or a Boggs, but needs to gets off the Angels first.
A declining injury prone star, 6 years and over $220M left on the contract, and a cheap owner that makes bad decisions. I'll take the under on Trout being moved.
Maybe Trout pull a Winfield or a Boggs, but needs to gets off the Angels first.
A declining injury prone star, 6 years and over $220M left on the contract, and a cheap owner that makes bad decisions. I'll take the under on Trout being moved.
Trout doesn't want to be moved. he has had multiple chances to do so and has said he doesn't want to leave. He is perfectly happy playing out his contract in LA
Seems like it has already affected prices quite a bit for the issue I follow which is his 2011 Topps Update US175 with autograph. After the latest injury and news I have seen prices come down close to 40% for the 9/10 10/* examples.
@softparade said:
Trout needs to DH. He's still young enough to get back to a few monster offensive seasons but get that injury waiting to happen off the field. Kinda reminds of Gincarlo Stanton getting hurt every time the breeze shifts. .
After age 32 you see a drastic drop off in productivity even with healthy stars. Pujols, Miggy, and many other recent Hall of Famers see as much as a 60 point drop in batting average post-age 32 let alone the power drop-off they see. Trout has already seen a noticeable drop-off in productivity over the last couple of years when he did play.
I think the best hope for Trout's post age 32 career is for a few .260 30+ home run seasons that get him closer to 500. He will definitely see a drop off in his walks as pitchers at this point no longer need to walk him. The interesting thing about Trout is that his walks are what made him a superstar. This along with getting a generous bump from playing centerfield (poorly though) made him a WAR star. I tend to think the main reason he was walked so often was simply because he played for the Angels. Prior to Ohtani's emergence, pitchers would pitch around Trout which inflated his walks. Once Ohtani emerged at the plate you see a drastic drop off in walks for Trout. From 2011 through 2019 his OBA was .419. Since 2020 it has dropped to .377. That is nearly a 50 point drop. It's down to .357 over the last 2 seasons.
In the NBA a similar decline happens at age 30.
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To all that called it in April appears you/we were right. Not wishing or hoping for any ill toward Trout but based on his history this was the most logical conclusion.
I am not surprised in the least. Trout is the slowest healer in history. whenever there is a range of potential games missed due to an injury, you can write it in with ink that Trout will be taking the over on that number.
honestly, what would be the point to bringing him back this season? team is going nowhere.
I wonder what next years injury will be? I am going to bet it either a hamstring or groin issue. or perhaps that chronic back injury will rear its ugly head. mark my words, i may be wrong on specifics, but there will be an injury next season.
@craig44 said:
I am not surprised in the least. Trout is the slowest healer in history. whenever there is a range of potential games missed due to an injury, you can write it in with ink that Trout will be taking the over on that number.
honestly, what would be the point to bringing him back this season? team is going nowhere.
I wonder what next years injury will be? I am going to bet it either a hamstring or groin issue. or perhaps that chronic back injury will rear its ugly head. mark my words, i may be wrong on specifics, but there will be an injury next season.
With his luck he will start out strong then the injury bug will strike.
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So crazy that his Diamond can be picked up for under 3K today. I paid waaaay waaaay more for my copy back in 2021. I didn't think it would stay at that level, but I didn't see going under 3K either. Sad. Oh well. I guess I'll have to just keep my copy until he passes away for me to MAYBE recoup. lol
@Vagabond said:
So crazy that his Diamond can be picked up for under 3K today. I paid waaaay waaaay more for my copy back in 2021. I didn't think it would stay at that level, but I didn't see going under 3K either. Sad. Oh well. I guess I'll have to just keep my copy until he passes away for me to MAYBE recoup. lol
Based on Trouts history, a last career end tour and Pujols like card bounce are unlikely. More likley it will be announced due to an injury - possible his current one?? - that he has retired thus no bump.
If he does resume play next year and has a hot or even warm week that may be the best time to unload...
Between this and the CI scanning topic here I'm sure glad I do not collect or purchase modern.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
@Vagabond said:
So crazy that his Diamond can be picked up for under 3K today. I paid waaaay waaaay more for my copy back in 2021. I didn't think it would stay at that level, but I didn't see going under 3K either. Sad. Oh well. I guess I'll have to just keep my copy until he passes away for me to MAYBE recoup. lol
Based on Trouts history, a last career end tour and Pujols like card bounce are unlikely. More likley it will be announced due to an injury - possible his current one?? - that he has retired thus no bump.
If he does resume play next year and has a hot or even warm week that may be the best time to unload...
Between this and the CI scanning topic here I'm sure glad I do not collect or purchase modern.
No way any team touches Trout at this point. That $40 million a year contract would destroy any team given the lack of production expected with Trout from this point on. Also, Trout's #1 concern has always been his contract so there's no chance he'd ever renegotiate. He'll sit back and continue to milk every cent he can from this contract through 2030. He's not like Shoehei who will defer his contract so the team can get a player that will help them win. Trout is all about his paycheck.
Trout will be 33 next year. If you look at the careers of other star players like Frank Thomas, Griffey, Miggy, Pujols, and many others you will see a drastic dropoff in productivity after age 32. Trout's current career batting average is .299. That will likely drop dramatically by the end of his career if he does play,
Here is a look at some greats and their batting average up to age 32 and what they hit after age 32.
Frank Thomas .321 BA /. .262 BA
Ken Griffey Jr. .295 BA / .257 BA
Miggy .321 BA / .272 BA
Pujols .325 BA / .253 BA
Votto .313 BA / .265 BA
Votto is a great comparison for Trout as they are nearly identical offensively. Votto's career ended with a lifetime BA of .294 which is a nearly 20 point drop. Trout's career BA should be around .279 or worse by the end of his career assuming he does play. If a team were to grab Trout at $40 million right now they would get the Mike Trout post 32 player. The average drop off of the players listed above is about 50 points on their BA after age 32. That puts Mike Trout in the .249 BA range for the rest of his career. Not too mention the drop off in power and especially walks. He will be a DH at this point too. So now a team would be paying him $40 million a year to be a .249 hitter with 25-30 home runs and about a .321 OBA. Ylou can get that for a few million rather easily. Any GM trades for that contract and they lose their job in a year.
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Little to no affect. A typical Trout autograph is so far out of the range it should be already, so when you are dealing with a market where people have no concept (or don't care and will pay whatever it takes) of value, you never know what will happen.
The modern autograph market is a weird one, but guys who completely flopped and are out of baseball still often sit for sale with obnoxious prices years later. They don't seem to sell at those prices, but few people are even trying and those that are are holding out for past glory money levels (which they will never get). Then you have prospects and up and coming players who bring in way more than established superstars and hall of famers, many of whom will eventually tank (Think Yasiel Puig for a perfect example) and then fuel a new era of overpriced washouts.
Maybe Trout pull a Winfield or a Boggs, but needs to gets off the Angels first.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
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A declining injury prone star, 6 years and over $220M left on the contract, and a cheap owner that makes bad decisions. I'll take the under on Trout being moved.
Trouts the mini Millennium version of Ken Griffey Jr
Except Jr's career numbers will be better in the end. I have multiple Bett with a buddy on whose career looks better in 10 years . I say Griffey
Opinion of course
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Trout doesn't want to be moved. he has had multiple chances to do so and has said he doesn't want to leave. He is perfectly happy playing out his contract in LA
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
In response to the op, yes the injury will negatively effect his card prices.
Probably not to a great extent, but those people hoping he would get healthy and stay healthy, looking for a possible increase are not looking good.
You can't take away those eight tremendous years, it just looks like that's going to be it, plus a bunch of partial seasons.
Seems like it has already affected prices quite a bit for the issue I follow which is his 2011 Topps Update US175 with autograph. After the latest injury and news I have seen prices come down close to 40% for the 9/10 10/* examples.
In the NBA a similar decline happens at age 30.
Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
^ curious about NHL drop off age?
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
To all that called it in April appears you/we were right. Not wishing or hoping for any ill toward Trout but based on his history this was the most logical conclusion.
https://sports.yahoo.com/angels-mike-trout-reportedly-suffered-setback-in-surgery-rehab-leaving-potential-return-this-season-in-doubt-005512580.html
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It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
I am not surprised in the least. Trout is the slowest healer in history. whenever there is a range of potential games missed due to an injury, you can write it in with ink that Trout will be taking the over on that number.
honestly, what would be the point to bringing him back this season? team is going nowhere.
I wonder what next years injury will be? I am going to bet it either a hamstring or groin issue. or perhaps that chronic back injury will rear its ugly head. mark my words, i may be wrong on specifics, but there will be an injury next season.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Trout would still be playing if they hadn't outlawed the "PED"s and HGH.
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With his luck he will start out strong then the injury bug will strike.
I've read that Jeff Passen stated he will still be voting for Trout as 2024 MVP...
and in a surprise to No one it's official
https://sports.yahoo.com/angels-outfielder-mike-trout-is-out-for-the-season-after-another-meniscus-tear-212906589.html
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
So crazy that his Diamond can be picked up for under 3K today. I paid waaaay waaaay more for my copy back in 2021. I didn't think it would stay at that level, but I didn't see going under 3K either. Sad. Oh well. I guess I'll have to just keep my copy until he passes away for me to MAYBE recoup. lol
Based on Trouts history, a last career end tour and Pujols like card bounce are unlikely. More likley it will be announced due to an injury - possible his current one?? - that he has retired thus no bump.
If he does resume play next year and has a hot or even warm week that may be the best time to unload...
Between this and the CI scanning topic here I'm sure glad I do not collect or purchase modern.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Definitely some bad luck. I didn’t read about this yet so I don’t know any details. Assuming it’s a tear in the same knee and it’s more serious?
No way any team touches Trout at this point. That $40 million a year contract would destroy any team given the lack of production expected with Trout from this point on. Also, Trout's #1 concern has always been his contract so there's no chance he'd ever renegotiate. He'll sit back and continue to milk every cent he can from this contract through 2030. He's not like Shoehei who will defer his contract so the team can get a player that will help them win. Trout is all about his paycheck.
Trout will be 33 next year. If you look at the careers of other star players like Frank Thomas, Griffey, Miggy, Pujols, and many others you will see a drastic dropoff in productivity after age 32. Trout's current career batting average is .299. That will likely drop dramatically by the end of his career if he does play,
Here is a look at some greats and their batting average up to age 32 and what they hit after age 32.
Frank Thomas .321 BA /. .262 BA
Ken Griffey Jr. .295 BA / .257 BA
Miggy .321 BA / .272 BA
Pujols .325 BA / .253 BA
Votto .313 BA / .265 BA
Votto is a great comparison for Trout as they are nearly identical offensively. Votto's career ended with a lifetime BA of .294 which is a nearly 20 point drop. Trout's career BA should be around .279 or worse by the end of his career assuming he does play. If a team were to grab Trout at $40 million right now they would get the Mike Trout post 32 player. The average drop off of the players listed above is about 50 points on their BA after age 32. That puts Mike Trout in the .249 BA range for the rest of his career. Not too mention the drop off in power and especially walks. He will be a DH at this point too. So now a team would be paying him $40 million a year to be a .249 hitter with 25-30 home runs and about a .321 OBA. Ylou can get that for a few million rather easily. Any GM trades for that contract and they lose their job in a year.
^ Seems only way Trout can keep his career stats lookin' all pretty is to retire this off season.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
A sensible move. We will see if he's more interested in keeping his still impressive well curated career stats or the money. My bet is on the latter
Aint nothin a few PED's can't fix.
How much did it sale for is one of the funniest and most ignorant things I've ever heard.