Seated half inquiry

logger7

A local fellow called me on this Seated 50c that he thinks could be the rare variety, the 1853-o, no arrows at date. It's been in his family a long time. He's been checking around to get to the bottom of this. Is this worth submitting in case it is rare?

1madman

Coinfacts lists the mintage as 4, and states all 4 examples are known (pcgs pop shows the 4 in different grades). This is not my series, but do you think it’s possible more than the 4 actually exist? Might have a tough time proving that to pcgs if submitted.

logger7

@1madman said:
Coinfacts lists the mintage as 4, and states all 4 examples are known (pcgs pop shows the 4 in different grades). This is not my series, but do you think it’s possible more than the 4 actually exist? Might have a tough time proving that to pcgs if submitted.

That's why I recommended he do a low cost submission to Anacs; though the date is a ambiguous, their numismatists would be able to make a determination, even a worn example could be identified by weight very likely.

Manifest_Destiny

A quick check shows the mm position doesn't match.

PeakRarities

@Manifest_Destiny said:
A quick check shows the mm position doesn't match.

Yea, they’re all supposed to be from the same die pair and the CoinFacts examples all show more distance between the MM and the olive branch.

logger7

He had a bunch of people look at it who thought the "185*" may be an "8" without certitude.

jmlanzaf

@logger7 said:

@1madman said:
Coinfacts lists the mintage as 4, and states all 4 examples are known (pcgs pop shows the 4 in different grades). This is not my series, but do you think it’s possible more than the 4 actually exist? Might have a tough time proving that to pcgs if submitted.

That's why I recommended he do a low cost submission to Anacs; though the date is a ambiguous, their numismatists would be able to make a determination, even a worn example could be identified by weight very likely.

By weight? Don't you mean specific gravity? Although,
even then, aren't there other dates?

BillJones

Even if you go by the mint mark position, I think that the legitimate TPGs would decline to grade or certify it. I saw this once with an "1856 Flying Eagle Cent" which had a big mark through the date. Although there are diagnostics, the mark made the determination impossible.

RichieURich

As others said, the mintmark position is wrong for an 1853-O No Arrows or Rays half dollar.

logger7

Thanks for the professionals here which should be enough. The gentleman had gotten opinions from a number of people on this, friends and pawn shops.