Haitian Crown Henri Christophe 1811-1815

genosse

Hello, friends!
Does anyone have any information on this Haitian crown (gourde) coin (pattern, medal or something else ) ?
The earliest mention of this coin I saw was in the 1846 catalog “Münz und Medaillen Sammlung des Leopold Welzl von Wellenheim”.
I have seen examples of 1811, 1812, 1813, 1814 and 1815.
Maybe there are coins from other years ?

Boosibri

Great question, wish I could help but will be following closely

ELuis

Did a quick search on the net found this one on Numista:

HTH

genosse

@ELuis said:
Did a quick search on the net found this one on Numista:

HTH

I doubt the accuracy of the data presented on this site (weight, diameter, thickness).
Because exactly the same data is presented in this pattern.
Although these coins were made at different times, by different engravers and using different minting technologies.

genosse

In the above-mentioned catalog of 1846, this pattern is called a tin medal.
The pattern, of course, can be made of any metal.
I have not found information that this pattern could have been ordered and produced for Haiti at the Birmingham Mint by Matthew Bolton. Just like the three denominations of 30, 15 and 7.5 sols in 1808.
Although I think that the artistic style of this pattern is very similar to the style of the 30.15 and 7.5 sols coins.
The engraver most likely used lifetime portraits of Emperor Henri Christophe for the pattern.

realeswatcher

Slightly reminiscent of the Peru and C.A.R. patterns/imitations/??? discussed recently?

genosse

@realeswatcher said:
Slightly reminiscent of the Peru and C.A.R. patterns/imitations/??? discussed recently?

There are similarities and there are differences.
The similarity is that this pattern was most likely made in the UK.
At that time, Haiti did not have the technical capabilities to mint such large coins.
The difference is that it is difficult to tell whether it is a pattern coin or a medal.

genosse

I continue to show the information I found on this crown pattern.
Another pattern dated 1814.
Based on weight (3.44 grams) it is 1/2 escalin (7 sols 6 deniers).
I don’t understand why the coin’s denomination is named 25 centimes.
The artistic style of this coin is very similar to that of the crown pattern.

Boosibri

genosse

@Boosibri said:

Thank you very much!
Please note No. 658 and No. 663 from the Newcomer collection are similar (or maybe they are the same coins) to No. 313 and No. 312 from the Mangones collection.
In addition, No. 663 and No. 312 are similar to No. 7500 from the Fonrobert collection.
But the most interesting example in the Newcomer collection is No. 664
I have never seen this coin before.
Another piece of evidence in favor of the version that these are all patterns for some reason that did not become ordinary coins for circulation.

Boosibri

Not plated but here is Ulex which is probably from Fonrobert

genosse

@Boosibri said:
Not plated but here is Ulex which is probably from Fonrobert

For me, old catalogs are primarily a source of images of rare coins.
And as a rule, I am distrustful of information printed in old catalogs.
This information is either incomplete or unreliable.
For example, in the catalog of the Newcomer collection it is written that No. 75 is a Chilean peso.
Although this is the most ordinary button))))