The Retained Cud Shattered Dies Variety Thread

Zoins

Here's my Wilma Mankiller quarter, which looks to be an intermediate die state, at least based on the size of the die crack on the reverse, which extends into the star, but doesn't go beyond it.

Just ran across this one offered for $3200! This looks to be a late die state based on the reverse die crack, which extends well beyond the star.

Here's another one I ran across, which seems to be even earlier die state than mine. This one looks like it has something else going on with it like it's been struck-through grease or something.

There’s some good variety on these.

Zoins

Here's a potential reason for the $3200 price:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LokoiSM0VsY

Mr Lindy

I have a MS65 example.

Was very picky as I went through several dozen offers before I settled on it. Some sellers of these 22P had multiples. Most of these seem mishandled AU or low baggy MS on fleabay. After five months I stopped doing my hourly & daily searches once I got this already slabbed terminal die state example. Haven't performed my search for these many months now.

Over a short period of time, 5 months, I've seen way more than "ten" terminal die states offered.

I still cannot figure out how to post TrueView but here's my cert link to an external site: PCGS.

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/47687008

Happy Shopping !

yosclimber

Zoins

@Mr Lindy said:
I have a MS65 example.

Was very picky as I went through several dozen offers before I settled on it. Some sellers of these 22P had multiples. Most of these seem mishandled AU or low baggy MS on fleabay. After five months I stopped doing my hourly & daily searches once I got this already slabbed terminal die state example. Haven't performed my search for these many months now.

Over a short period of time, 5 months, I've seen way more than "ten" terminal die states offered.

I still cannot figure out how to post TrueView but here's my cert link to an external site: PCGS.

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/47687008

Happy Shopping !

@yosclimber said:

Very nice specimen @Mr Lindy ! It's good to be choosey on these because there's a selection available.

I got mine because of the color, which is very unusual on these.

Zoins

Here's another specimen:

Slab photos from micryl85:355672737786

Zoins

Here's a 2021 cent:

Slab photos from: elopcoins:395292952086

Manifest_Destiny

Cool thread!

Zoins

@Manifest_Destiny said:
Cool thread!

Thanks! These are really cool coins!

Zoins

Here's a 1927 gold quarter eagle from @jwitten posted here:

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/11726986/#Comment_11726986

Zoins

Here's an interesting USPI coin:

US/Philippines 1945-S Fifty Centavos (Retained CUD - Bar 9 Variety) PCGS MS 66

https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/item/1945-s-50c/90376/4385406997560621783

Zoins

There's a spectacular circular die crack on the 1922-D Peace Dollar V-2A Retained Die Break Variety:

OAKSTAR

Thought I'd come here for the answer. Retained cuds, shattered dies or both?

Bikergeek

Cud coins are interesting (and popular) in the capped bust half dimes. Here's an 1832 LM-10.4. The big reverse cud causes some problems on the obverse strike-up, hence the very weak date.

RobertScotLover

@Zoins said:
There's a spectacular circular die crack on the 1922-D Peace Dollar V-2A Retained Die Break Variety:

I do see a die crack or too but no retained die break is noticeable imo

jt88

Zoins

@RobertScotLover said:

@Zoins said:
There's a spectacular circular die crack on the 1922-D Peace Dollar V-2A Retained Die Break Variety:

I do see a die crack or too but no retained die break is noticeable imo

The entire center of the obverse may be the retained die break.

This is what PCGS calls it:

• Facts: https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1922-d-1-v-2a-retained-die-break/518805

Zoins

@Bikergeek said:
Cud coins are interesting (and popular) in the capped bust half dimes. Here's an 1832 LM-10.4. The big reverse cud causes some problems on the obverse strike-up, hence the very weak date.

That's a very nice cud @Bikergeek ! Thanks for posting it and making a note about the date on the obverse as well

Kliao

OnWithTheHunt

OAKSTAR

I don't know if it's a retained cud but it's a cud.

tincup

A shattered die retained cud? I just picked up; an 1866 shield nickel. Multiple sections/pieces!

Crypto

I have an 1891o dime with a shattered rev die and a large (for a dime) retained cud. I’ll post a pic when I get home

SullivanNumismatics

This 2000 Sacagawea dollar is probably the most dramatic shattered die U.S. coin I'm aware of. The reverse is an "up and down" of shattered pieces of die. Currently, it is in a private collection.

OAKSTAR

@SullivanNumismatics - So Jon, what's your personal and professional opinion on how it found it's way out on the mint?

JBK

@OAKSTAR said:
I don't know if it's a retained cud but it's a cud.

Not retained as there is no design. That chunk of the die was missing.

SullivanNumismatics

@OAKSTAR said:
@SullivanNumismatics - So Jon, what's your personal and professional opinion on how it found it's way out on the mint?

Without "having been there", there's no way to know. It may have shown up in a bag, or could've been taken out of the Mint, or may have been from a counting house--we'll likely never know.

OAKSTAR

@SullivanNumismatics said:

@OAKSTAR said:
@SullivanNumismatics - So Jon, what's your personal and professional opinion on how it found it's way out on the mint?

Without "having been there", there's no way to know. It may have shown up in a bag, or could've been taken out of the Mint, or may have been from a counting house--we'll likely never know.

Hmmm, interesting. Thanks very much for that Jon.

So when you get your hands on something like this or have the opportunity to purchase these major mint errors, are you asking the sellers how they acquired them and attempting to trace/track it's path and origin or history?

OAKSTAR

Thanks @JBK! 👍🏻

SullivanNumismatics

@OAKSTAR said:

@SullivanNumismatics said:

@OAKSTAR said:
@SullivanNumismatics - So Jon, what's your personal and professional opinion on how it found it's way out on the mint?

Without "having been there", there's no way to know. It may have shown up in a bag, or could've been taken out of the Mint, or may have been from a counting house--we'll likely never know.

Hmmm, interesting. Thanks very much for that Jon.

So when you get your hands on something like this or have the opportunity to purchase these major mint errors, are you asking the sellers how they acquired them and attempting to trace/track it's path and origin or history?

All reputable coins dealers do their best to make sure that the coins they are buying are legal to own--not stolen, or otherwise illegal. So yes, in that same spirit, you try to make sure the coin is legal to own.

Southcounty

Are we limited to only retained cuds or are full cuds allowed? 1835 JR-2

1946Hamm

The ultimate shattered die.

OAKSTAR

Thanks Jon!

messydesk

@Mr Lindy said:
I have a MS65 example.

Was very picky as I went through several dozen offers before I settled on it. Some sellers of these 22P had multiples. Most of these seem mishandled AU or low baggy MS on fleabay. After five months I stopped doing my hourly & daily searches once I got this already slabbed terminal die state example. Haven't performed my search for these many months now.

Over a short period of time, 5 months, I've seen way more than "ten" terminal die states offered.

I still cannot figure out how to post TrueView but here's my cert link to an external site: PCGS.

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/47687008

Happy Shopping !

That the population has reached a "critical mass" gives it broader market appeal. People will want one because they know there are enough for them to eventually acquire one. Sort of like the 88-O Scarface Morgan. Personally, if I were to acquire one of this series for a type set, this would be it.

lilolme

@Southcounty said:
Are we limited to only retained cuds or are full cuds allowed? 1835 JR-2

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I don't know these to well, but isn't that a retained cud?
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(not my coin) I did a thread on this date sometime back. 10c 1797 16 stars (not my coin)

manlye1

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1825 B3 quarter with retained cud

Southcounty

@lilolme said:

@Southcounty said:
Are we limited to only retained cuds or are full cuds allowed? 1835 JR-2

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I don't know these to well, but isn't that a retained cud?
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That is certainly my definition of one, I asked the question before I was going to post some nice full cuds.

USA240

Before and after -

scubafuel

@USA240 great pair! Did you find them together?

dcarr

This is a 1972-D Jefferson Nickel. I lost the obverse picture, but the reverse is where the action is:

BustDMs

A few from the vault.

burfle23

Mine:

OnWithTheHunt

@burfle23 said:
Mine:

Believe this one is a contemporary counterfeit. Still pretty cool.

Copperindian

Reverse cud; only one I’ve ever seen on a 1878 IHC. There must be others?

Obvious impression on the ED in UNITED on the obv side.