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I know these are 2 1999P quarter dollars.....but they are different in a way .../

YQQYQQ Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 18, 2024 1:40PM in U.S. Coin Forum

These 2 1999P quarters are at first very similar.
However, the drop test reveals that they are made of different metals.
I have no idea. However, maybe one of them is a fake, maybe from PRoC????
OR were these made of a different metal, perhaps test coins?
The drop test had two very different sounds.
any help is appreciated.
These coins belong to a friend
Thank you all for your input.

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  • NewEnglandRaritiesNewEnglandRarities Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 18, 2024 2:04PM

    The photos seemed to have flipped since I first saw the post. But, I agree with @dcarr , heat is the reason. So, now looking the bottom coin (the one that looks like there is a break at 3-4k), is heat damaged.

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,968 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It appears to me the bottom coin suffered damage from a heat source.
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  • YQQYQQ Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you to all for your input, we never thought about heat.
    first, the original post had the weight shown in a weight measure other than grams. posted now is in grams.
    even if the coin was subjected to high heat, would that so drastically change the weight and the metal properties?
    is there any value to any of these two coins?
    H

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @YQQ said:
    Thank you to all for your input, we never thought about heat.
    first, the original post had the weight shown in a weight measure other than grams. posted now is in grams.
    even if the coin was subjected to high heat, would that so drastically change the weight and the metal properties?
    is there any value to any of these two coins?
    H

    .

    I hadn't noticed the weights before now.
    There is also a possibility that the suspect coin is a home-made casting.
    Does it look like there was ever a sprue attached to the edge of it ?

    .

  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 4,544 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not a tree hugger but in this case..........Ya just gotta do it.
    The details remind me of our initial tree when I was a young buck.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,481 ✭✭✭✭✭

    On suspect clad coins the edge is an important factor. Are you able to get photos?

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,481 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 20, 2024 2:59AM

    @emeraldATV said:
    I'm not a tree hugger but in this case..........Ya just gotta do it.
    The details remind me of our initial tree when I was a young buck.

    There is no hugging of the Charter Oak. It is one of the subjects on the state coins that met it's demise after appearing on the coins. New Hampshire's "Old Man of the Mountain" is another.

    Not sure if your childhood tree still exists. Maybe it's petrified? ;):p

  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 4,544 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't know about the tree but the land owner could have been with all these kids in their tree with knives.
    Come to think of it, we raked that tree's leaves every season. Anyway...
    So the second coin is fake ? (which is the coin I was referring to and sry if that was not clear)
    Thinking back, I sure was a tree hugger then. One slip up....... was a long way down.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 8,968 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was too far away to hear the sound when you dropped the coins. Can you drop them again? I'm closer to my phone now.😆

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  • SapyxSapyx Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A mass loss of over a gram, for a coin that only weighs less than 6 grams, "heat" alone cannot explain - you need to explain where the missing mass went; neither copper nor nickel simply evaporate without melting the coin completely.

    If it's a genuine coin, the better explanation for mass loss is "acid damage" or similar corrosion, which explains both the appearance and missing mass. However, again the edge view would be telling, if you get the "oreo-like" appearance of the edge where acid has attacked the copper core more readily than the clad layers, acid would be confirmed. But acid alone cannot explain all the features seen here.

    The other option, counterfeiting, also cannot be ruled out.

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  • air4mdcair4mdc Posts: 901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a deep strike thru or tooled gouged on the obv filled with solder to me, in addition to quite a bit of wear, whether sanded or polished. The details are flattened on the obverse significantly. It appears environmental damage or exposure to a caustic material is also responsible for the pitting and missing material. Fifteen years of abuse somewhere.

  • CRHer700CRHer700 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The bottom coin appears to have lost weight, possibly due to acid or salt water. If it is real, then the lost weight will give it a higher "ping" than the standard quarter. I encounter these occasionally in my CRHing, and have done weight and sound tests on more than a few. This seems to be the likely reason for the higher, almost "silverish" noise.

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:

    @emeraldATV said:
    I'm not a tree hugger but in this case..........Ya just gotta do it.
    The details remind me of our initial tree when I was a young buck.

    There is no hugging of the Charter Oak. It is one of the subjects on the state coins that met it's demise after appearing on the coins. New Hampshire's "Old Man of the Mountain" is another.

    Not sure if your childhood tree still exists. Maybe it's petrified? ;):p

    Connecticut's Charter Oak was blown down in a storm in 1856. I realize the State Quarter series went on for a long time, but not that long!

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,481 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:

    @JBK said:

    @emeraldATV said:
    I'm not a tree hugger but in this case..........Ya just gotta do it.
    The details remind me of our initial tree when I was a young buck.

    There is no hugging of the Charter Oak. It is one of the subjects on the state coins that met it's demise after appearing on the coins. New Hampshire's "Old Man of the Mountain" is another.

    Not sure if your childhood tree still exists. Maybe it's petrified? ;):p

    Connecticut's Charter Oak was blown down in a storm in 1856. I realize the State Quarter series went on for a long time, but not that long!

    Good to know. Thanks for the correction. I'll have to amend my trivia arsenal. :)

    At least the Old Man of the Mountain in NH collapsed after it appeared on the state quarter. Of that I'm (pretty) sure. :D

  • YQQYQQ Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you all so far
    Here are the rim images. Hopefully this will help.
    H


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  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @YQQ said:
    Thank you all so far
    Here are the rim images. Hopefully this will help.

    Yes, the images confirm that it is counterfeit.

  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 4,544 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 22, 2024 5:13PM

    "Hold the fort."! ?......
    I have here 2 coins (for now) with that same, tree trunk or wet cement look with that unguided penmanship look.
    My question is, "This style or look has a rap sheet"? Or, just a brother from a different mother ?





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  • YQQYQQ Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    where have I been???
    well, since 1966 in Canada...
    It seems that the subject coin might be a forgery? or not?? what is the concensus ?
    But why this one 1999 ? and why are there not more known as fakes?
    It seems a lot of work for just one item?
    I originally posted a very nice one together with the subject coin
    Is there any realistic value to it? and perhaps a suggested grade?

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you bring a clad coin to its melting temperature then stop the coin will show blisters. Trust me I have buckets full of them. So I don’t think it was heat. Nor will heat add or subtract weight from the coin. If so, where did it go? I’ve gotta believe one of them is a counterfeit.

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  • YQQYQQ Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Would anyone recognize it as a CF?
    If so. how ? what are the markers?

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  • YQQYQQ Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:
    I was too far away to hear the sound when you dropped the coins. Can you drop them again? I'm closer to my phone now.😆

    well, if you PM me your #, I will let you hear the diff.

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  • CregCreg Posts: 414 ✭✭✭✭

    @emeraldATV said:
    I don't know about the tree but the land owner could have been with all these kids in their tree with knives.
    Come to think of it, we raked that tree's leaves every season. Anyway...
    So the second coin is fake ? (which is the coin I was referring to and sry if that was not clear)
    Thinking back, I sure was a tree hugger then. One slip up....... was a long way down.

    Go out and give that poor tree a hug; hug the stump if you must. Let the fall go, forgive.

  • CregCreg Posts: 414 ✭✭✭✭

    @crazyhounddog said:
    …I have buckets full of them.

    That impresses me, no matter how you created or compiled that bucket.

  • CRHer700CRHer700 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @YQQ said:
    Would anyone recognize it as a CF?
    If so. how ? what are the markers?

    I don't believe that this is a counterfeit. I'll see if I can find any coins like this to show.

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  • hummingbird_coinshummingbird_coins Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have noticed from reading this thread how poorly the Charter Oak on the Connecticut state quarter compares to that on the Connecticut commemorative half dollar. At least they tried to make the Charter Oak on the half dollar look like the real thing, and not just some average-looking tree. It just goes to show the loss of quality associated with modern coinage.

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  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 4,544 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Go out and give that poor tree a hug; hug the stump if you must. Let the fall go, forgive.

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