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1867 Shield Nickel with Rays - Strange looking effect on the date

Does anyone have any idea what is going on with the date of this 1867 Shield Nickel with Rays?
Seems to have some sort of shifted doubling effect - I was unable to find any known varieties that look like it.
Thank you for any input!





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  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 7, 2024 12:02PM

    Yes, looks like a repunched date, with the first punch slightly to the left, and the results of that first punch now appear on top of the letters from the second punch.
    Plus a nice die crack.
    I don't see an exact match in the photos at NGC Variety Plus, but they do show many RPDs for 1867 rays.

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see some anomalies along the right edges of the lower right leaves.
    I think the date is the result of a type of strike doubling.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,168 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One of the most magnificent examples of strike doubling (sometimes called "machine doubling") I have ever seen!

    After the strike, as the obverse die was retracting from the coin and/or as the coin was starting to be pushed up and out of the collar, the raised date digits came in contact with the date part of the die and a partial second date was embossed up onto the tops of the digits. The process itself it relatively common and sometimes even boring, but this one has pizazz! You see part of the second 8 on the right side of the 1.

    Obviously, I like it.

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  • Married2CoinsMarried2Coins Posts: 582 ✭✭✭

    I see a large date over a small date. I THOUGHT strike doubling is a shift that is connected to the relief. Part of the 8 is on the right side of the one completely detached from the other part of the 8.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,168 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Married2Coins said:
    I see a large date over a small date. I THOUGHT strike doubling is a shift that is connected to the relief. Part of the 8 is on the right side of the one completely detached from the other part of the 8.

    The date is raised and therefore part of the relief.

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  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    One of the most magnificent examples of strike doubling (sometimes called "machine doubling") I have ever seen!

    After the strike, as the obverse die was retracting from the coin and/or as the coin was starting to be pushed up and out of the collar, the raised date digits came in contact with the date part of the die and a partial second date was embossed up onto the tops of the digits. The process itself it relatively common and sometimes even boring, but this one has pizazz! You see part of the second 8 on the right side of the 1.

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    Cool. Thanks.
    I enlarged the photo and put some arrows on it. As CapH described the fields between the numbers are on the top of the numbers. Shifted left and slightly up. Also the fields on the inside of the number 'loops' can be found. Also as DCarr mentioned it appears might be some above (yellow arrows).
    The bottom is just the same enlargement without the arrows for ease of viewing.
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  • USA240USA240 Posts: 52 ✭✭✭

    Thank you all for your replies!
    I do agree that the cause of the effect seen at the date is from strike doubling, and as CaptHenway stated, not your typical example!

  • The_Dinosaur_ManThe_Dinosaur_Man Posts: 950 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Die cracks going through the date are some of my favorite for the series. One of the neatest examples I've seen had the date being torn apart like tectonic plates after an earthquake.

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  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cool, I've never seen anything like that before.

  • TypekatTypekat Posts: 382 ✭✭✭✭

    Plus, a strike-through (?) at the top of the ‘7’
    That coin really has a lot going on!

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