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kruegerkrueger Posts: 805 ✭✭✭

Do mint made clash marks knock the TPG grade down. Or are they grading so fast they can't tell the difference?

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    pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,593 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The short answer is no, they should not, and from what I have seen usually do not. Clash marks are as struck.

    Could they affect a Superb Grade (say 68 or better)? Not really sure how some graders feel about that.


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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,051 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Clash marks shouldn’t affect a coin’s grade. And yes, they can tell the difference between clash marks and whatever else you were asking about, but failed to specify.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 23,944 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @krueger said:
    Do mint made clash marks knock the TPG grade down. Or are they grading so fast they can't tell the difference?

    Way way too fast. Clash marks don't matter.

    Andy Lustig

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    kruegerkrueger Posts: 805 ✭✭✭
    edited March 8, 2024 6:40PM

    I have a Gem USPI 1941-M 10 centavo i'd say they docked three points off the grade.
    Have a few others like wise. They don't seem to listen when I explain.
    I will show the PCGS Expert at the next show and ask why my Gem ( and I mean Gem ) coins were grade hammered.
    For clash marks I identified to them.
    Hard to believe I have collected for 70 years , USPI 45 YEARS. many top registry sets.

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    PizzamanPizzaman Posts: 226 ✭✭✭

    They shouldn't affect the grade, they should just be noted.

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    epcepc Posts: 161 ✭✭✭✭

    Can we see some photos?

    Collector of Liberty Seated Half Dimes, including die pairs and die states

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,931 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @krueger said:
    I have a Gem USPI 1941-M 10 centavo i'd say they docked three points off the grade.
    Have a few others like wise. They don't seem to listen when I explain.
    I will show the PCGS Expert at the next show and ask why my Gem ( and I mean Gem ) coins were grade hammered.
    For clash marks I identified to them.
    Hard to believe I have collected for 70 years , USPI 45 YEARS. many top registry sets.

    Why are you assuming it's the clash that caused the deduction?

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,051 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Pizzaman said:
    They shouldn't affect the grade, they should just be noted.

    The vast majority of coins I see with clash marks aren’t so noted.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,931 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 9, 2024 8:03AM

    @MFeld said:

    @Pizzaman said:
    They shouldn't affect the grade, they should just be noted.

    The vast majority of coins I see with clash marks aren’t so noted.

    You'd have to pay the premium to get it noted, wouldn't you?

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,051 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MFeld said:

    @Pizzaman said:
    They shouldn't affect the grade, they should just be noted.

    The vast majority of coins I see with clash marks aren’t so noted.

    You'd have to pay the premium to get it noted, wouldn't you?

    I believe so.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    goldengolden Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do not like clash marks. I love die cracks, but not clash marks.

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    AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Clash marks are a key element of a number of Draped Bust LC varieties (i.e S-215). Yes, you would have to pay extra for the variety attribution to appear on the label.

    Smitten with DBLCs.

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    leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,360 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have 10+ broadstruck Jeffs and just about every one of them have immaculate (markfree) surfaces. There are 0 marks on these coins as if they were hand fed and carefully removed from the coin press that made them. But the thing is, most have been graded MS64-65. I think one is MS66. I would personally grade them MS68 or MS69....possibly MS70. But these coins are "as struck" like the coins with clash marks but they gave lower grades for reasons I'm uncertain about. All graded by ANACS btw.





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    Married2CoinsMarried2Coins Posts: 227 ✭✭✭

    Don't they affect the eye appeal?

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    PizzamanPizzaman Posts: 226 ✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @Pizzaman said:
    They shouldn't affect the grade, they should just be noted.

    The vast majority of coins I see with clash marks aren’t so noted.

    @MFeld said:

    @Pizzaman said:
    They shouldn't affect the grade, they should just be noted.

    The vast majority of coins I see with clash marks aren’t so noted.

    I agree, Mark. If I may clarify, if we find them, we should note them. The TPGs don't on most of these, though, and I think that's understandable, really, given there are just so many. I think maybe when the clash is a VAM, you can get that on the slab, I think I've seen it.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,051 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Pizzaman said:

    @MFeld said:

    @Pizzaman said:
    They shouldn't affect the grade, they should just be noted.

    The vast majority of coins I see with clash marks aren’t so noted.

    @MFeld said:

    @Pizzaman said:
    They shouldn't affect the grade, they should just be noted.

    The vast majority of coins I see with clash marks aren’t so noted.

    I agree, Mark. If I may clarify, if we find them, we should note them. The TPGs don't on most of these, though, and I think that's understandable, really, given there are just so many. I think maybe when the clash is a VAM, you can get that on the slab, I think I've seen it.

    Understood - thanks.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    kruegerkrueger Posts: 805 ✭✭✭

    "Why are you assuming it's the clash that caused the deduction?"
    There is nothing else on the coin under 10X glass and and full blast mint luster.
    others called it a little "jewel".

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    PizzamanPizzaman Posts: 226 ✭✭✭

    @golden said:
    I do not like clash marks. I love die cracks, but not clash marks.

    You don't like this? It's the steps on a '72-D.

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    goldengolden Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No.

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