Crossover Service question

Saam

If coins sent to PCGS for Crossover Service have already received a variety attribution, is there an additional fee to have the variety attribution shown on the PCGS slab or is it included with the cost of the Crossover?

Goldbully

Good question... I would say yes to the attribution fee.

oih82w8

Unless it is a Red Book Major Variety, there will be a attribution fee. Do you mind disclosing the coin variety?

Saam

The coin I'm not sure of is an Off Center 2000 cent with Wide AM. At one point, somewhere on this site, I recall reading if PCGS has a number assigned to a variety, you don't have to pay the variety fee for their slab to show the designation. PCGS does have numbers for the 2000 Wide AM but I am not sure if the designation will be shown unless the fee is paid. Guess I can call but it takes a while to get through and I hoped to have this order sent off tomorrow.

lilolme

@Saam said:
The coin I'm not sure of is an Off Center 2000 cent with Wide AM. At one point, somewhere on this site, I recall reading if PCGS has a number assigned to a variety, you don't have to pay the variety fee for their slab to show the designation. PCGS does have numbers for the 2000 Wide AM but I am not sure if the designation will be shown unless the fee is paid. Guess I can call but it takes a while to get through and I hoped to have this order sent off tomorrow.

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I can give some information that may help in general. But I don't know anything about these cents, so if I say something stupid - forgive.

Having a pcgs number assigned does not mean pay or no pay, just that it has a number.

Below is a screenshot of the 2000 cent CF page (link below) where I opened up the 'show related varieties' .

Usually (maybe not 100%) the Major varieties do not have a fee and the Die varieties do require a fee. Now some have the Minor variety as this one does. These I don't know about.
I know for the Morgan Dollar 1878 7tf that it now has a Minor variety of Weak 7/8 tf. This used to be a regular variety but was dropped to Minor variety and I don't know if pcgs does it anymore but they do exist from past years and so not eliminated but dropped to Minor variety. The reason for having the Minor variety may change from one coin to another.

For the 2000 cent (and I chose RB) there is a number for each 2000 RB (38128) Major variety, 2000 Wide AM RB (83159) Minor variety and 2000 Wide AM FS-901 RB (147830) Die variety. On the page you can click them to go to each page.

So if looking for the FS-901, then a fee is required.
I just don't know if they do anything with the Minor variety Wide AM (83159) at all.

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/2000-1c-rb/38128

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This is the page of what paid varieties they do but might not be all up to date (I suspect).
https://www.pcgs.com/varietyfaq

I, like above, would also think the fee would be required on crossover even if it had the variety previously since pcgs would need to verify it (just not assume). But that was an 'I think' and have not done it. So yes, could call or email and verity on that. If you do get an answer, then might update this thread.

Saam

Update! Called PCGS today and was told if Red Book has the coin listed as a variety, then there is no fee to have the variety listed on the slab. I will only need to have the coin graded as an error, plus the 1% GP. Guess I need to buy a current Red Book....

lilolme

@Saam said:
Update! Called PCGS today and was told if Red Book has the coin listed as a variety, then there is no fee to have the variety listed on the slab. I will only need to have the coin graded as an error, plus the 1% GP. Guess I need to buy a current Red Book....

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I don't have a current red book either but my 2010 does have the 2000 Wide AM. I am now wondering if some of these Minor Varieties on the CF page are red book varieties. That might explain most of it.

If you think about it and have the time, report back on this thread how they slab it. That is just Wide AM or with the FS-901 labeled also.

The $1 1878 Weak 7/8 tf is not a red book variety in 2010 book. Just has 'clear double feathers' (I assume that is the same as strong). But they did them previously but then dropped it to Minor variety and not sure if they still do or just with the VAM.

lilolme

Looking at Heritage auction archives - the search worked very well (quick). Here are the 1c 2000 Wide AM and FS-901.

So these Minor varieties are looking like many could be red book.

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Also the 7/8 tf weak without a variety (VAM).
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Ruthard

@Saam said:
The coin I'm not sure of is an Off Center 2000 cent with Wide AM. At one point, somewhere on this site, I recall reading if PCGS has a number assigned to a variety, you don't have to pay the variety fee for their slab to show the designation. PCGS does have numbers for the 2000 Wide AM but I am not sure if the designation will be shown unless the fee is paid. Guess I can call but it takes a while to get through and I hoped to have this order sent off tomorrow.

Sent a order in today with 9 wide am cents 1 98 and 8 2000 . Called and pcgs says gotta pay variety att fee,because it's a die variety, and they have a #for fs901 83160 I think the#2000wide am

1madman

IIRC if you want the FS number on the label, you pay the variety fee. If you just want Wide AM on the label, it’s free. So using coin # 147831 is a $20 variety charge, using coin # 83160 is free.