Yep, ex: Whittier. I've never seen another one like it, but there could be a few more out there. Or not.
I haven’t been looking long, but I don’t know of anything better or even equal. It’s a big coin. I just found the auction, it was cheap too. For that kind of rarity and condition. Very nice!
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It's a really neat piece @ELuis The first time I saw it I thought it was a proclaimation piece. It's not though.
What more do you know about it?
Do not know much, mostly bought it for the design, after that did just some research, on places/auctions that were sold, they marked it as rare.Found some but holed and in not nice condition. This is my second coin from Potosi/Bolivia, the other is my 4R 1781-PTS PR PCGS VF35.
I used to own the Whittier NGC AU-58 which I bought in June 2006 from Heritage. Sold it in 2016.
Last I checked six MS or maybe MS and AU graded by NGC and PCGS. I've seen four NGC MS for sale, including the MS-64. I haven't looked for it in quite some time, though a good one did sell at auction in the last few years.
It's one I consider quite scarce, but not rare. Seems to follow the pattern of many 19th century US coins with a disproportionate pct. of low to really low-quality examples and a very low number of nice to really nice ones. I've never seen a mintage, but I expect it's potentially more than any of the 1767-1770 pillar minor denominations which max at about 230K.
1852 1/4 sol is a hoard coin. I previously owned a PCGS MS-65.
Had this out so took a pic. Somewhat subdued luster, as examples of this debased silver coinage often exhibit. Not many of these 4S have great booming cartwheel. In hand, it IS a bit twinklier, but a tad scruffier also.
Very close to UNC, though - nice sharp rim! - and a well-struck bust (that's what he said?):
Here’s a new tougher coin, and the comparable more common version. My previous version was a VF, this is a wholesome AU. There’s four distinct assayer combinations for 1830, which seems to be the most common date (by far) that doesn’t mean that high grade pieces are common, far from it. An MS65 is quite a treasure. The reason these are so plentiful relatively is because they weren’t just minted in 1830, but likely from 1830-1853 or thereabouts. No other date was minted to this extent.
I’ll have to dig up mintage figures, regardless. The 1830 J and the 1830 JL, don’t have the JF or IL (which I believe is currently a unique piece.)
@MrEureka do you happen to know where the 1830 IL ended up? I figure you're the most likely person to know. I know it was auctioned off on Heritage (discovery coin) in 2006 from the Whittier Collection. Has it hit the market since? Are there more examples of this coin or is this the only one?
I've always wondered if it was initially a trial strike or proof of some kind.
Won this coin recently (yes, there is some green on it)
It's no secret that Bolivia Republic coins tend to be poorly made, but the 7 on the date seems to exhibit something more. Overdate? Doesn't necessarily look like a six, unless it was placed really high. Thoughts? Tilting at windmills?
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Yep, ex: Whittier. I've never seen another one like it, but there could be a few more out there. Or not.
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I haven’t been looking long, but I don’t know of anything better or even equal. It’s a big coin. I just found the auction, it was cheap too. For that kind of rarity and condition. Very nice!
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Waiting for this one to arrive. A PAZ bearded portrait. Not the best coin but when I see a PAZ I generally buy it
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Cool! I remember seeing that one! @Coinlover101
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I used to own the Whittier NGC AU-58 which I bought in June 2006 from Heritage. Sold it in 2016.
Last I checked six MS or maybe MS and AU graded by NGC and PCGS. I've seen four NGC MS for sale, including the MS-64. I haven't looked for it in quite some time, though a good one did sell at auction in the last few years.
It's one I consider quite scarce, but not rare. Seems to follow the pattern of many 19th century US coins with a disproportionate pct. of low to really low-quality examples and a very low number of nice to really nice ones. I've never seen a mintage, but I expect it's potentially more than any of the 1767-1770 pillar minor denominations which max at about 230K.
1852 1/4 sol is a hoard coin. I previously owned a PCGS MS-65.
Had this out so took a pic. Somewhat subdued luster, as examples of this debased silver coinage often exhibit. Not many of these 4S have great booming cartwheel. In hand, it IS a bit twinklier, but a tad scruffier also.
Very close to UNC, though - nice sharp rim! - and a well-struck bust (that's what he said?):
Nice piece!
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Also, that left side is as made, off-centered. Edge pattern is intact there.
I assumed as much, the strike looks fairly off, especially on the reverse.
I'm BACK!!! Used to be Billet7 on the old forum.
Here’s a new tougher coin, and the comparable more common version. My previous version was a VF, this is a wholesome AU. There’s four distinct assayer combinations for 1830, which seems to be the most common date (by far) that doesn’t mean that high grade pieces are common, far from it. An MS65 is quite a treasure. The reason these are so plentiful relatively is because they weren’t just minted in 1830, but likely from 1830-1853 or thereabouts. No other date was minted to this extent.
I’ll have to dig up mintage figures, regardless. The 1830 J and the 1830 JL, don’t have the JF or IL (which I believe is currently a unique piece.)
I'm BACK!!! Used to be Billet7 on the old forum.
@MrEureka do you happen to know where the 1830 IL ended up? I figure you're the most likely person to know. I know it was auctioned off on Heritage (discovery coin) in 2006 from the Whittier Collection. Has it hit the market since? Are there more examples of this coin or is this the only one?
I've always wondered if it was initially a trial strike or proof of some kind.
I'm BACK!!! Used to be Billet7 on the old forum.
Won this coin recently (yes, there is some green on it)
It's no secret that Bolivia Republic coins tend to be poorly made, but the 7 on the date seems to exhibit something more. Overdate? Doesn't necessarily look like a six, unless it was placed really high. Thoughts? Tilting at windmills?
I'm BACK!!! Used to be Billet7 on the old forum.