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JoeLewisJoeLewis Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭✭

Hi everyone. I'm sending off 26 PCGS/NGC certified coins to GC. Should I ship them in PCGS "box of 20"-type boxes? Or, should I put them each in some kind of padded envelope and pack them that way? Thank you for your advice on this.

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    jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I ship mine in the pcgs/ngc style boxes

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    ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2024 11:46AM

    IMO Registered Insured (and heavy) mail sends up red flags to me kinda like "steal me"

    I send expensive coins all the time in double boxed signature priority boxes. Never once have I had a problem.

    USPS priority is super reliable and fast.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,035 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2024 11:56AM

    @ctf_error_coins said:
    IMO Registered Insured (and heavy) mail sends up red flag to me kinda like "steal me"

    I send expensive coins all the time in double boxed signature priority boxes. Never once have I had a problem.

    USPS priority is super reliable and fast.

    I thought that the maximum insurance value was only $5000 for Priority Mail Express and Priority Mail.
    Is the information linked below incorrect?

    https://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/503.htm?_gl=1*nuzvbg*_gcl_au*MTc1NTk4NTE3MS4xNzA4ODAwMjc0*_ga*MTgwOTQzMTAwOS4xNzA4ODAwMjc0*_ga_3NXP3C8S9V*MTcwODgwMDI3NC4xLjEuMTcwODgwMDc2Ni4wLjAuMA..#ep1233501

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2024 12:06PM

    Seconding @MFeld and @Golden

    I use the cardboard boxes that PCGS sends their boxes in. I put my Slabs in poly bags, and pack tight with filler as necessary. I can usually get 26 to 28 slabs in one box.

    Then put that box in a bigger box. Ship USPS Registered (up to $50.k), unless you have private insurance.


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    lermishlermish Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @ctf_error_coins said:
    IMO Registered Insured (and heavy) mail sends up red flag to me kinda like "steal me"

    I send expensive coins all the time in double boxed signature priority boxes. Never once have I had a problem.

    USPS priority is super reliable and fast.

    I thought that the maximum insurance value was only $5000 for Priority Mail Express and Priority Mail.
    Is the information linked below incorrect?

    https://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/503.htm?_gl=1*nuzvbg*_gcl_au*MTc1NTk4NTE3MS4xNzA4ODAwMjc0*_ga*MTgwOTQzMTAwOS4xNzA4ODAwMjc0*_ga_3NXP3C8S9V*MTcwODgwMDI3NC4xLjEuMTcwODgwMDc2Ni4wLjAuMA..#ep1233501

    That is correct but he likely has a supplemental insurance policy as many of us do.

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    JoeLewisJoeLewis Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭✭

    Thank you, everyone.

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    fiftysevenerfiftysevener Posts: 896 ✭✭✭✭

    NGC will not ship coins back in plastic boxes for obvious reasons. I cannot understand why PCGS will return ship that way. Who's responsible for shipping damage ? Your coins will see fewer bids in chipped or damaged holders. Order some shipping sleeves to protect those slabs and like previously stated double box those slabs.

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    lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Definitely registered.

    LCoopie = Les
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    lermishlermish Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @lermish said:

    @MFeld said:

    @ctf_error_coins said:
    IMO Registered Insured (and heavy) mail sends up red flag to me kinda like "steal me"

    I send expensive coins all the time in double boxed signature priority boxes. Never once have I had a problem.

    USPS priority is super reliable and fast.

    I thought that the maximum insurance value was only $5000 for Priority Mail Express and Priority Mail.
    Is the information linked below incorrect?

    https://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/503.htm?_gl=1*nuzvbg*_gcl_au*MTc1NTk4NTE3MS4xNzA4ODAwMjc0*_ga*MTgwOTQzMTAwOS4xNzA4ODAwMjc0*_ga_3NXP3C8S9V*MTcwODgwMDI3NC4xLjEuMTcwODgwMDc2Ni4wLjAuMA..#ep1233501

    That is correct but he likely has a supplemental insurance policy as many of us do.

    If he does and @JoeLewis does, too, fine. But if not and the shipment’s worth more than $5000, I wouldn’t risk it for myself or recommend it for others.

    100% agreed. Prior to purchasing a policy everything I sent was Registered.

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    FrazFraz Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2024 12:49PM

    Write something like Cumnard Tunsten and Plutonium Bearings instead of your name on the return. Golden State does it; makes me feel a little better.

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    FrazFraz Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just so the weight makes sense. Cat anchors?

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    PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 5,880 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with most of the above, but I would ship in a medium flat rate, and insure with ship and insure!
    Included is that if there is any damage they cover that also.

    Pat Vetter,Mercury Dime registry set,1938 Proof set registry,Pat & BJ Coins:724-325-7211


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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,193 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ctf_error_coins said:
    IMO Registered Insured (and heavy) mail sends up red flags to me kinda like "steal me"

    I send expensive coins all the time in double boxed signature priority boxes. Never once have I had a problem.

    USPS priority is super reliable and fast.

    You're gambling. I choose Registered to avoid the gamble.

    Keep an open mind, or get financially repressed -Zoltan Pozsar

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,876 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @ctf_error_coins said:
    IMO Registered Insured (and heavy) mail sends up red flags to me kinda like "steal me"

    I send expensive coins all the time in double boxed signature priority boxes. Never once have I had a problem.

    USPS priority is super reliable and fast.

    You're gambling. I choose Registered to avoid the gamble.

    Chris doesn't believe in gambling...or cheerleading.

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,193 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2024 6:13PM

    Speaking from experience, "Registered."

    Keep an open mind, or get financially repressed -Zoltan Pozsar

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    FrazFraz Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Fraz said:
    Write something like Cumnard Tunsten and Plutonium Bearings instead of your name on the return. Golden State does it; makes me feel a little better.

    "Plutonium"...I wouldn't write that anywhere. You can't even mail perfume.

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Fraz said:
    Write something like Cumnard Tunsten and Plutonium Bearings instead of your name on the return. Golden State does it; makes me feel a little better.

    "Plutonium"...I wouldn't write that anywhere. You can't even mail perfume.

    Okay, tungsten works.

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    Pnies20Pnies20 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All of these things!

    BHNC #248 … 108 and counting.

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    ldhairldhair Posts: 7,121 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I use a lot of bubble wrap and rubber bands and leave nothing to rattle. That goes in a box with the paperwork. That goes in a second box with a lot more bubble wrap. Now the box gets wrapped with a lot of the proper tape for Registered Insured mailing.
    As much as I trust the USPS, I would rather send two packages worth 20K over one package worth 40K. It cost more but I feel better. I have the Registered Insured slip ready when I reach the postal clerk at the counter. We don't ever have to talk about the value of the package. Most clerks understand how private things need to stay.

    Larry

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    remumcremumc Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭

    I send mine FedEx Priority Overnight. I have my own insurance, but I think speed is also insurance!

    Regards,

    Wayne

    www.waynedriskillminiatures.com
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    JBKJBK Posts: 14,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @ctf_error_coins said:
    IMO Registered Insured (and heavy) mail sends up red flags to me kinda like "steal me"

    I send expensive coins all the time in double boxed signature priority boxes. Never once have I had a problem.

    USPS priority is super reliable and fast.

    You're gambling. I choose Registered to avoid the gamble.

    What if he's mailing Vault Box coins? >:)

    Or is it wrong to gamble with the "proceeds" of gambling? Or do gamblers let it ride and extend the risk? 🤔

    For me, if they had significant value I'd send registered. Yes, it's a potential red flag, but there are eyes on it and accountability every step of the way.

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    ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2024 12:51PM

    @fiftysevener said:
    NGC will not ship coins back in plastic boxes for obvious reasons. I cannot understand why PCGS will return ship that way. Who's responsible for shipping damage ? Your coins will see fewer bids in chipped or damaged holders. Order some shipping sleeves to protect those slabs and like previously stated double box those slabs.

    For those of us who are a little thick, what are the "obvious" reasons? Having sent and received many dozens of shipments in PCGS boxes I have not experienced any problems.

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    fiftysevenerfiftysevener Posts: 896 ✭✭✭✭

    Rather than respond to the obvious I will point out that Great Collections will describe damage to a holder which oddly enough is usually damaged corners or ridges on PCGS holders. Some damaged NGC holders are encountered as well though only few are seen.

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    ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fiftysevener said:
    Rather than respond to the obvious I will point out that Great Collections will describe damage to a holder which oddly enough is usually damaged corners or ridges on PCGS holders. Some damaged NGC holders are encountered as well though only few are seen.

    But if I understood your post, you are alleging that the damage is coming from shipping slabs in PCGS boxes. What is the theory to support that? Being a little thick, I don't see how shipping coins in a PCGS box contributes to slab damage. Why is the damage to the slabbed coins on GC not caused by other handling events?

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    ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2, 2024 4:27PM

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @derryb said:

    @ctf_error_coins said:
    IMO Registered Insured (and heavy) mail sends up red flags to me kinda like "steal me"

    I send expensive coins all the time in double boxed signature priority boxes. Never once have I had a problem.

    USPS priority is super reliable and fast.

    You're gambling. I choose Registered to avoid the gamble.

    Chris doesn't believe in gambling...or cheerleading.

    I believe the insurance companies make huge profits.

    I choose to put the money in my pocket on every coin that I ship.

    I self insure.

    I have been shipping coins for 25 years now.

    I never once had to pay out a claim.

    That is quite a bit of money saved up and of course reinvested in the business in the form of cool coins.

    ........

    Gambling .... I do not gamble. I do play Poker for cash, but that is not gambling as it is a game of skill.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,876 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ProofCollection said:

    @fiftysevener said:
    Rather than respond to the obvious I will point out that Great Collections will describe damage to a holder which oddly enough is usually damaged corners or ridges on PCGS holders. Some damaged NGC holders are encountered as well though only few are seen.

    But if I understood your post, you are alleging that the damage is coming from shipping slabs in PCGS boxes. What is the theory to support that? Being a little thick, I don't see how shipping coins in a PCGS box contributes to slab damage. Why is the damage to the slabbed coins on GC not caused by other handling events?

    I don't know how common actual damage is. However, you generally want a soft packing material that gives. That way it absorbs any impact rather than transmitting the force of the impact. Further, plastic on plastic will scuff if it rattles, especially the softer PCGS plastic.

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    ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2, 2024 8:49PM

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ProofCollection said:

    @fiftysevener said:
    Rather than respond to the obvious I will point out that Great Collections will describe damage to a holder which oddly enough is usually damaged corners or ridges on PCGS holders. Some damaged NGC holders are encountered as well though only few are seen.

    But if I understood your post, you are alleging that the damage is coming from shipping slabs in PCGS boxes. What is the theory to support that? Being a little thick, I don't see how shipping coins in a PCGS box contributes to slab damage. Why is the damage to the slabbed coins on GC not caused by other handling events?

    I don't know how common actual damage is. However, you generally want a soft packing material that gives. That way it absorbs any impact rather than transmitting the force of the impact. Further, plastic on plastic will scuff if it rattles, especially the softer PCGS plastic.

    Right. But in a PCGS box, the slabs are held at the sides with a mm or two of play. The "rattling around" will cause little damage. It would take a significant impact to result in any damage. Yes, a cushion of some sort would protect the slab in that event, but double boxing the PCGS box should solve that. Having received hundreds of submissions back from PCGS, I have yet to receive a damaged slab. I have damaged slabs by dropping them though.

    @fiftysevener said there were obvious reasons why NGC will not ship coins back in plastic boxes and I'm still struggling to understand those reasons. I'm not sure the cardboard boxes they (NGC) use would protect coins significantly better. With the reasons being obvious, I feel stupid that I don't understand the reasons.

    Edited to add: FWIW, CAC stickering returns my coins in the PCGS boxes that I send them in. They do add some packing materials, but they do not see fit to replace the box.

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    BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ProofCollection said:
    @fiftysevener said there were obvious reasons why NGC will not ship coins back in plastic boxes and I'm still struggling to understand those reasons. I'm not sure the cardboard boxes they (NGC) use would protect coins significantly better. With the reasons being obvious, I feel stupid that I don't understand the reasons.

    Crush damage. If you crush a corrugated cardboard box, some of the corrugations deform, but the box as a whole doesn't explode. The same force applied to a rigid plastic box: boom.

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
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    ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BStrauss3 said:

    @ProofCollection said:
    @fiftysevener said there were obvious reasons why NGC will not ship coins back in plastic boxes and I'm still struggling to understand those reasons. I'm not sure the cardboard boxes they (NGC) use would protect coins significantly better. With the reasons being obvious, I feel stupid that I don't understand the reasons.

    Crush damage. If you crush a corrugated cardboard box, some of the corrugations deform, but the box as a whole doesn't explode. The same force applied to a rigid plastic box: boom.

    I actually disagree. The plastic boxes, especially when completely full of slabs are going to withstand quite an impact and I feel the slabs would be fairly well protected. The coardboard box will crush and leave the slabs vulnerable to damage, IMO. In an extreme impact, yes the PCGS box may crack. I don't think it will exploded. I don't think the slabs will be any worse off other than shards of plastic may scratch some of the slabs. If the slabs are damaged from the impact in a PCGS box, they will be just as likely to be damaged in a cardboard box. Only layers of bubble wrap or foam would probably protect a slab, and from what I have seen no TPGs do this for the regular sized slabs.

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    fiftysevenerfiftysevener Posts: 896 ✭✭✭✭

    I tend to agree with most of the posted comments but there is always the handlers that show no respect for a shipped package. When I have shipped high grade proofs to CAC, I put them in Intercept Shield sleeves that fit either NGC or PCGS slabs. In a brief conversation with JA he indicated he not only appreciates shipping in these sleeves, he gladly returned them in the same sleeves as received.

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